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Old 07-27-2012, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Westport, Kansas City, MO
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You're right, not too mention Ohare is big central transportation hub in this country. Its very big airport and it has many airlines. And if you go to Midway, you only need there to be 1h before flight, if you don't have anything to check in

However, don't forget many people live in suburbs and own car, even in the city. And its cheaper just to drive than take flight. It depends. If u can get $70 plane ticket one way to Minneapolis, u probably wanna fly, otherwise its just cheaper to drive and you'll be there in 7 hours.

Last time I drove from Chicago to Pittsburgh, for cubs vs pirates game and it took me only 8.5 hours. The round trip cost me around $120 in gas (+ $40 in tollways). Im sure I would have to pay more for plane, especially since I decided to go there in last week, plus pay taxi or rental.
Well that's true. I don't know, for me driving is such a hassle. You have to worry about negligent drivers, wear and tear on your car, gas prices, etc. For example, even though S. CA is touted as being "within driving distance to Vegas" half the people I know in CA just fly there because it's cheaper and faster and the drive is pretty horrendous. I drove there last year from San Diego, and it took me nearly 8 hours to get back to SD with traffic.
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Old 07-27-2012, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Volker, Kansas City, MO
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Are you suggesting that millions of people don't fly out of both NYC and Chicago every year?
I suggested nothing. I asked a follow up question to a post.
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Old 07-27-2012, 03:30 PM
 
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Well that's true. I don't know, for me driving is such a hassle. You have to worry about negligent drivers, wear and tear on your car, gas prices, etc. For example, even though S. CA is touted as being "within driving distance to Vegas" half the people I know in CA just fly there because it's cheaper and faster and the drive is pretty horrendous. I drove there last year from San Diego, and it took me nearly 8 hours to get back to SD with traffic.
well it depends I guess what Interstate highways you take. If you take I-80 its not so bad, there are many service plazas in Indiana and Ohio where you can stop by, refuel, eat, snack, take nap making whole drive easier. Ohio has nice new service plazas and some locations have Panera Bread which is step up from Mcdonalds, hardee's and other junk food. If you have a new car from reputable maker like Toyota you can drive many miles for years. As long as you service your car every 5000 miles and change oil every 10,000.

Im sure if I would have to take i-90 to Minneapolis, my drive wouldn't probably be as much comfortable through northwest Wisconsin as through I-80/I-90 east from Chicago.
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Old 07-27-2012, 05:20 PM
 
Location: North Jackson
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I don't really get why people are so hung up on how isolated Chicago is. It's called an airplane. You can be in NYC from Chicago in what, an hour and a half? Florida in 2 hours. Southern CA in 4 hours.
No one is "hung up" on this. I floated this as a legitimate reason why Chi is less expensive than some NE cities. I'm only saying that living nearby to destination areas can drive up real estate prices. There are REASONS why Boston and NY and DC are expensive, and Chi is less expensive. Demand for Chi is lower. And why is Demand for Chi lower? Because it's less desirable. It's not a reason to be defensive, it's just a fact. That doesn't mean that Chi isn't a great city - it is! But there are advantages to living in the NE, or living in SF (close to mountains, ocean, wine country, etc) for example, that drive up demand.

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Do you think that the millions of people who live in NYC or Boston or DC without a car really care that Vermont is a few hour drive away if they want to go skiing? No. They could hop on a plane and fly to Aspen and it probably wouldn't be that much more expensive than renting a car and driving to Vermont and back.
It's pointless to argue this with you, but when I lived in Boston, I knew people that skied every weekend, or every other weekend, during the ski season. That lifestyle is just not possible if you live in Chicago, unless you're willing to ski at the small bumps in WI.
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Old 07-27-2012, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Westport, Kansas City, MO
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No one is "hung up" on this. I floated this as a legitimate reason why Chi is less expensive than some NE cities. I'm only saying that living nearby to destination areas can drive up real estate prices. There are REASONS why Boston and NY and DC are expensive, and Chi is less expensive. Demand for Chi is lower. And why is Demand for Chi lower? Because it's less desirable. It's not a reason to be defensive, it's just a fact. That doesn't mean that Chi isn't a great city - it is! But there are advantages to living in the NE, or living in SF (close to mountains, ocean, wine country, etc) for example, that drive up demand.
Not being defensive at all. NYC, Boston and DC are of course more expensive than Chicago, but I think having "nearby destination areas" is really an overstated factor with respect to all the other reasons East Coast cities tend to be more expensive. Not saying it isn't a factor, but I think it's a very minor factor. I don't think the reason most people move to NYC or Boston is because it's close to Vermont for skiing. If nearby destination areas was so determinative in price, then why isn't Philadelphia super expensive? Even Pittsburgh is fairly close to most E. Coast cities and Pittsburgh is certainly not expensive. Same could be said of Phoenix and Vegas with respect to nearby destinations.

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It's pointless to argue this with you, but when I lived in Boston, I knew people that skied every weekend, or every other weekend, during the ski season. That lifestyle is just not possible if you live in Chicago, unless you're willing to ski at the small bumps in WI.
Well that's great, but a lot of people couldn't care less about skiing. Again, it's an overstated factor.
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Old 07-27-2012, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL USA
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In addition, the driving experience in NE Ohio and Pennsylvania was quite a nice refreshing change from Midwest.

Last time I drove from Chicago to Pittsburgh, for cubs vs pirates game and it took me only 8.5 hours with a few stops. The round trip cost me around $120 in gas (+ $40 in tollways). Im sure I would have to pay more for plane, especially since I decided to go there in last week, plus pay taxi or rental. Plus driving through NE Ohio and Pennsylvania was a quite nice refresh from Midwest.
And here all the years I lived in NE Ohio I thought I was in the Midwest.
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Old 07-27-2012, 07:03 PM
 
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In terms of sprawl, Canadian cities have no real difference from American ones, although many seem to think otherwise. Toronto's suburbs are very sparsely populated, more sparse than Los Angeles.
Not true, most large Canadian metros are certainly more compact and less sprawled than most large American metros, and Toronto's suburbs in particular are among the densest in North America, Toronto's urbanized area is the densest in The U.S. and Canada, followed by Los Angeles funnily enough.

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Old 07-27-2012, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Bay Area
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Canadian exchange rate, that's why!
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Old 07-27-2012, 08:55 PM
 
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And here all the years I lived in NE Ohio I thought I was in the Midwest.
its definitely different from NW Ohio or other parts of this state that look more like Indiana or Illinois south of I-80. I would say Ohio is divided between Midwest and Northeast (and South around Cincinnati). Its not far from Erie, PA and Western New York and those areas I certainly would not call midwestern. NE Ohio east from Cleveland looks more like Pennsylvania than Ohio to me. They share the same geography with forested rolling hills and rivers.
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Old 07-28-2012, 01:44 AM
 
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The political corruption has always driven up the property and sales taxes. Now that the gangs are in full swing corporations are leaving downtown and residents are fleeing due to the outrageous sales and property taxes, I seriously believe that downtown Chicago will look like it did in the 70's for at least a decade.
Really??... Downtown Chicago is the main force driving the city right now. Haven't like 6 corporations moved to the loop just within the past few months, bringing in around 6,500 jobs? Motorola just did so yesterday. Property taxes in the city are around 1% for most people who own that I know - and businesses get silly tax breaks all the time.

At least do a general search before posting.

Motorola Mobility to leave suburban Libertyville campus for Chicago's Merchandise Mart. What will happen to their suburban corporate campus? | WBEZ 91.5 Chicago

Mayor Emanuel announces Zurich Insurance adding 150 jobs in downtown Chicago - Chicago CIty Hall | Examiner.com

McGladrey moves HQ to Chicago, plans to add 300-500 jobs - Chicago Sun-Times

Burns & Wilcox moves office downtown - Chicago Tribune

GE Transportation to move headquarters to Chicago - Chicago Tribune

Federal Savings Bank opening office, hiring in West Loop - Chicago Sun-Times

http://www.chicagorealestatedaily.co...n-state-street

InnerWorkings adds space to accommodate 200 hires - chicagotribune.com

DeVry to bring 600 jobs to new West Loop offices - Chicago Sun-Times

Sara Lee To Move Headquarters Back Into City CBS Chicago

Sterling Partners moving downtown from Northbrook - Chicago Tribune

City of Chicago :: Mayor Emanuel Announces Sagence Group Will Move Corporate Headquarters to Chicago

City of Chicago :: Mayor Emanuel Announces ThyssenKrupp Will Open North American Headquarters in Chicago

Not trying to bandwagon....but honestly the city is really on the upswing as far as decent paying jobs/economy lately. It's being FAR overshadowed by the sharp upswing in gang violence on the south and west sides during the first half of the year, but the overall health of the city in general is actually much better under the skin than all the media articles which focus on the worst of the worst aspects.

Chicago Sees Jobs Rebound: Study | NBC Chicago

Census Shows Chicago Population Growth | NBC Chicago
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