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the crime of our inner cities is not what is done to us and what affect it has on our business climate; the crime is that people live their lives under such horrendous conditions and we, as a society, do little about it.
True enough - but we live in a democracy, and society gets the government/resource allocation it votes for, assuming it bothers to vote at all.
I would seriously love to know what in the hell possessed anyone in a lower income tax bracket to vote for Emanuel, a guy who made his millions first as a political fundraiser and then as an investment banker.
The economic problems could be hugely improved by reversing the trend towards regressive taxation (sales taxes, user fees) over more progressive income tax rates - including the discrepancy mentioned regarding investment income and wage income.
Second, the drug war has GOT TO STOP. The cost in terms of misallocated resources (prisons over schools) and social breakdown (incarcerated fathers, street gangs) is astronomical. And hasn't accomplished s***.
Give Preckwinkle props for having stones that Beavers couldn't ever have dreamed of.
I would seriously love to know what in the hell possessed anyone in a lower income tax bracket to vote for Emanuel, a guy who made his millions first as a political fundraiser and then as an investment banker.
i don't think it is city taxation or even state that is most at issue. it's the money that the federal government would put into such programs that carries the most weight. add to that that a lot of the funding that our cities and states see comes from Washington.
Chi, I don't think there is a city in the nation that is in charge of its own destiny on this issue; city services today are pretty much in the category of picking up the garbage and streets and san.
How limited? For all the rightful criticism of Rich Daley, he did accomplish a lot for Chicago and he did so at a time when the old Chicago machine did not have the clout of that bygone era when his father was mayor. no big city does anymore. Richie's powers were far smaller than his dad's and he had to do things far more with finnese than his more empowered father did.
but look at the difference between Richie and Rahm. No, the structure didn't change (as it did between the eras of the two Daleys), but the economics did and Rahm is working far more with a shoestring budget.
I just read on CNN that Chicago has had 340 murder this year. And we still have 4 months to go. Dang..
So what? I'll wager that the vast majority of those murders are taking place far away from you. And how many people do you know what were murdered? I don't know any. Most of the folks being killed deserve their fate with a few innocents sprinkled in.
i don't think it is city taxation or even state that is most at issue. it's the money that the federal government would put into such programs that carries the most weight. add to that that a lot of the funding that our cities and states see comes from Washington.
Chi, I don't think there is a city in the nation that is in charge of its own destiny on this issue; city services today are pretty much in the category of picking up the garbage and streets and san.
How limited? For all the rightful criticism of Rich Daley, he did accomplish a lot for Chicago and he did so at a time when the old Chicago machine did not have the clout of that bygone era when his father was mayor. no big city does anymore. Richie's powers were far smaller than his dad's and he had to do things far more with finnese than his more empowered father did.
but look at the difference between Richie and Rahm. No, the structure didn't change (as it did between the eras of the two Daleys), but the economics did and Rahm is working far more with a shoestring budget.
I would agree with you in a larger sense regarding some struggling urban areas, but given that Rahm was connected to both the Clinton and Obama administrations, I think in this specific case your analysis fails as it is incomplete.
It is indeed the tax structure that has killed the federal government's ability to keep up with infrastructure projects which historically have been very good for the urban areas.
But c'mon, Rahm is a One Percenter. Has been for going on two decades. Obama completely betrayed his alleged "socialist" roots by not allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire, and Rahm rightfully deserves to be associated with that decision, as that's how he rode into City Hall - I have pets that are more truly Chicagoan than Rahm is.
So what? I'll wager that the vast majority of those murders are taking place far away from you. And how many people do you know what were murdered? I don't know any. Most of the folks being killed deserve their fate with a few innocents sprinkled in.
And you knew those murdered well enough to make that judgment call? The irony of your hypocrisy is thick enough to serve for dinner.
I still want Chicago's to be much lower, but we're nowhere near being the deadliest in the U.S., let alone the world.
Kudos on the world comparison but no, the FBI don't say that. You've used the same bastardized FBI figures and dismissed the arbitrary boundaries seperating city and suburb that I was ranting about. Did you read my comment properly? You need to read it again, the gist of it is not hard to miss.
New Orleans 20.8
Baltimore 10.3
Detroit 9.1
Kansas City 8.2
St. Louis 7.8
Philadelphia 7.8 Chicago approx. 7.5
Newark 6.9 (simultaneously an extended NY suburb and metro [look at light text underneath NY])
Atlanta 6.1
Buffalo 6.1
Washington 5.3
Cleveland 4.9
Pittsburgh 4.7
This would explain why Chicago is clearly more dangerous than Washington and much closer to Detroit, Baltimore, St. Louis etc. New Orleans is off the scale. The Chicago-Naperville-Joliet Metropolitan Division is about 7.5 per 100,000. The 2010 report - never mind 2011 - isn't available yet on the Illinois State Police site, but it would be about 7.5. This is half that of Sao Paulo and Mexico City.
The FBI doesn't list Chi because of the way it records sexual assault.
And you knew those murdered well enough to make that judgment call? The irony of your hypocrisy is thick enough to serve for dinner.
Please tell me you are not a white person. Anyway, the majority of violence involves gang warfare I would wager. Chicago street gangbangers are less than animals. If you've never actually been around them you would not understand.
i don't think it is city taxation or even state that is most at issue. it's the money that the federal government would put into such programs that carries the most weight. add to that that a lot of the funding that our cities and states see comes from Washington.
Chi, I don't think there is a city in the nation that is in charge of its own destiny on this issue; city services today are pretty much in the category of picking up the garbage and streets and san.
How limited? For all the rightful criticism of Rich Daley, he did accomplish a lot for Chicago and he did so at a time when the old Chicago machine did not have the clout of that bygone era when his father was mayor. no big city does anymore. Richie's powers were far smaller than his dad's and he had to do things far more with finnese than his more empowered father did.
but look at the difference between Richie and Rahm. No, the structure didn't change (as it did between the eras of the two Daleys), but the economics did and Rahm is working far more with a shoestring budget.
Several months ago a syndicated columnist (John Stosell?) wrote an article about a new immigrant to Chicago that tried to start a business as a street vendor selling food from a pushcart. In a few weeks he made quite a bit of money but his success got him noticed by several city bureaucrats and they hounded him out of business. The recent immigrant went to Atlanta with his life savings where he now owns a chain of restaurants.
The Obama/Chicago way is NOT the way to run the country. Obama may be a likeable person but is likeability what our country needs in a President now? I think not.
GL2
Kudos on the world comparison but no, the FBI don't say that. You've used the same bastardized FBI figures and dismissed the arbitrary boundaries seperating city and suburb that I was ranting about. Did you read my comment properly?
Yes, I was talking about cities, not metro areas, and yes, I was using actual FBI data, as cited. I couldn't care less what you or anyone else was "ranting about." I'm interested in facts. You misstated them. I corrected you.
Also, how Chicago records rape statistics is not a factor here because we're discussing murder rate, not violent crime rate.
You said Chicago has a higher murder rate than those cities. It doesn't. I showed the numbers to illustrate that it doesn't. You showed numbers that don't represent just the cities and don't represent just murders.
It would be like if you told me that Ricky Henderson had more lifetime home runs than Babe Ruth, and when I called you out on it, you showed me home runs plus stolen bases for the entire teams they played on.
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