Guns and homicides in Chicago... (military, assess, stats)

[RogersParkGuy]

There is something you want to keep in mind about the way gang violence is reported in large cities like Chicago.

The term "gang-related" often functions as a catchall for all sorts of murders, including those the average person might not see as having much to do with gangs at all. For example, if two men fall out over a woman and one kills the other, it may well be described as "gang-related" is either of the men has a history of gang involvement. But is a dispute over a girlfriend really "gang-related?" I think most people would say no.

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by RogersParkGuy

There is something you want to keep in mind about the way gang violence is reported in large cities like Chicago.

The term "gang-related" often functions as a catchall for all sorts of murders, including those the average person might not see as having much to do with gangs at all. For example, if two men fall out over a woman and one kills the other, it may well be described as "gang-related" is either of the men has a history of gang involvement. But is a dispute over a girlfriend really "gang-related?" I think most people would say no.

Thanks for the input. Would you kill someone over that?

[udonsoup]

Originally Posted by RogersParkGuy

There is something you want to keep in mind about the way gang violence is reported in large cities like Chicago.

The term "gang-related" often functions as a catchall for all sorts of murders, including those the average person might not see as having much to do with gangs at all. For example, if two men fall out over a woman and one kills the other, it may well be described as "gang-related" is either of the men has a history of gang involvement. But is a dispute over a girlfriend really "gang-related?" I think most people would say no.

They probably received the guns through the gang.

Ultra violent crimes of passion aren't really common among normal people.

If anything is is often mis-labed. A man with a gunshot wound walks into the E.R. and says "I accidently shot myself twice in the ribs...." or " I was walking down the street and was shot.....didn't see anybody"

[tokentubes]

How often are domestic disputes labeled gang related
?

[PacificWest]

Originally Posted by tokentubes

Really? All top down approaches? You think NY and l.a. youth aren't gangbanging so hard because of penalty increases and freeing gun restrictions? No, for some reason gangbanging has become "lame" in these areas, kids are reallyno longer interested in repping their neighborhood, its all about pride in oneself and making money. Nowadays "gangsters" look at the previous wild and arrogant culture as a good way to hurt profits. Less violence and standing on corners = less cops and regular customers.

I feel that this rushed neighborhood changes are directly responsible, murders were down on their own as the street's mentality was heading towards discretion after 99, but now people are being forcedto live in areas they've never been too, and feuds start

tokentubes, what you said is quite interesting, I never knew that, maybe that answer why gangs are not so popularized in Los Angeles today, compared to the 90's

If what you say is a fact, well Chicago gangsters need to really examine their approach to gangbanging in this day & age, because it seem Chicago is under siege to violence.

The Numbers don't lie, New York has three times as many people as Chicago, as of September 2012, 312 murders in New York, 212 in L.A. Chicago 391 murders.

[Samiamnh]

Chicago is proof positive that tough gun laws don't prevent crime,they encourage it. Thugs be lovin' the democrats that run Chicago so that law abiding folks cannot protect themselves

[Chicago60614]

Originally Posted by tokentubes

Really? All top down approaches? You think NY and l.a. youth aren't gangbanging so hard because of penalty increases and freeing gun restrictions? No, for some reason gangbanging has become "lame" in these areas, kids are reallyno longer interested in repping their neighborhood, its all about pride in oneself and making money. Nowadays "gangsters" look at the previous wild and arrogant culture as a good way to hurt profits. Less violence and standing on corners = less cops and regular customers.

I feel that this rushed neighborhood changes are directly responsible, murders were down on their own as the street's mentality was heading towards discretion after 99, but now people are being forcedto live in areas they've never been too, and feuds start

This is actually why Chicago's has gone up so much the past year. They took out the top of many gang structures, and that led to a bunch of fractioning of the gangs, and these teenagers without leaders who don't get any structure or discipline. They're the main ones who are just chacing each other around at midnight firing shots back and forth. The leaders aren't there to hit them over the head and say this is for money, not just some stupid teenage game of shooting. It's all really sad.

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by Samiamnh

Chicago is proof positive that tough gun laws don't prevent crime,they encourage it. Thugs be lovin' the democrats that run Chicago so that law abiding folks cannot protect themselves

Really, so if guns were legal, gangbangers would be shooting each other less?

[ofcjim40]

I'm a believer in lets supply gang members with more guns and ammo, give them a designated square mile area without any innocent people and tell them to go to town. From there the winners get to claim that as their territory...then we napalm them. Done. The sad fact is gangs and violence will never be eradicated. People are completely fooling themselves if they somehow think legalizing drugs will get rid of gangs, no one could be that naive. Gangs will always find a revenue stream. Without dope then they'll just steal more cars, commit more thefts and do more burglaries. Not to mention certain drugs will always be illegal, I really can't ever seethe Gov't producing and taxing Heroin and Cocaine. When people want to use the catch all of "legalize drugs", they usually mean weed. This would have a temporary impact in the gang economy. From there they'll just be pushing hard drugs even harder. With gang bangers they'll never give up their territory, economy or violence. It's wishful thinking to believe otherwise.

[jdiddy]

Originally Posted by ellemint

Being in Afghanistan sleeping on the ground in a tent, as well as the exposure to the disciplined environment of the military would also benefit gang members.

Have you seen the pictures of gang graffitti in Iraq/Afghanistan?

I'm not so sure this won't just create better trained gang members, at taxpayer expense.