How do CPS teachers keep getting a free pass from the public?

[jman07]

Originally Posted by ChiNaan

Not only that, but all of them do, eventually. Must be because of those terrible doctors! I can't believe we still allow them to practice, with so many people dying all the time. At least some students eventually pass.

The analogy was: Bad doctors are to more dead patients (patients under their care)
SO Bad teachers are to more failing students (when comparing students with the same abilities and backgrounds)

Your analogy makes no sense because like you said, everyone dies. Not every student fails.

Some students eventually passing doesn't say anything. What matters is if MORE students pass than did before. Just like if MORE patients live than before.

Your also grouping all doctors and teachers into a single category, while I am separating them into Charter school vs Public school or judged by performance vs not judged by performance. Your trying to turn this into a "attack teachers as a group" thing. It's not, because some teachers are good and some are bad and some teach at charters and some at public schools. The ones that are bad need to be held accountable and it is the system that they are in under the CTU that is creating problems.

[Leatherneck50]

[url=http://townhall.com/columnists/kyleolson/2013/01/11/bill-ayers-school-union-officials-escalate-attacks-on-teach-for-america-n1486623/page/full/]Bill Ayers, School Union Officials Escalate Attacks on Teach for America - Kyle Olson - [page][/url]

[ChiNaan]

Leatherneck, please:

1) Learn how to post links.
2) Only post them to one thread, not two.
3) Don't post them all if they're articles that suck as royally as that one did.

[Jesse69]

I didn't go through this whole thread but when I went to Lane Tech the school day was already long enough for me to learn significant stuff. I don't think a longer school day or year was needed. Teachers spend a lot of time AFTER SCHOOL preparing lesson plans and grading homework, - I know because my mom was a teacher.

[nana053]

Originally Posted by Leatherneck50

Bill Ayers, School Union Officials Escalate Attacks on Teach for America - Kyle Olson - [page]

The problems with Teach for America include:

1. The college students who sign up get only a minimal amount of training. To be a math specialist if you did not major in math, you get 2 weeks of math education training. They all get 7 weeks of pre-service training in teaching.
2. Most of these *teachers* stay only the required 2 years, so even if they are good, they are too soon gone to make much of a difference.
3. TFA has fallen into the trap of believing that test scores are a valid way to evaluate teachers and schools. The TFA coaches focus almost exclusively on test data when meeting with their interns, and put great pressure on them to achieve 80% mastery on all their tests.

An Urban Teacher's Education: Teach for America: Here We Go Again

[gomexico]

The CTU isn't creating problems. Anyone who says that doesn't know much about the schools, or the city.