Hadiya Pendleton (Chicago, Justice: murders, company, top)

[rubbersoul89]

Originally Posted by Link N. Parker

No, violence is not everywhere...not this type of violence. Not at the levels that certain areas of Chicago seems to continually experience decade after decade. I can go to any town or city outside of Chicago and experience a relatively peaceful sense of stability and safety.

so you actually think chicago is some anomaly when it comes to violence and large cities in the US?

that's delusional, sounds like you've fully bought into the media narrative.

Originally Posted by Link N. Parker

Because Concealed Carry works in the other 49 states?? There is some form of concealed carry in all of the other 49 states, and it reduces crime dramatically.

How's that working out for new orleans? detroit? cincinatti? cleveland? philly?

for the record, NYC, undoubtedly one of the safest large cities in the country now, has extremely limited use of concealed carry along with some of the toughest gun laws.

perhaps this issue isn't quite as simple as you make it out to be.

[Link N. Parker]

Originally Posted by rubbersoul89

so you actually think chicago is some anomaly when it comes to violence and large cities in the US?

that's delusional, sounds like you've fully bought into the media narrative.



How's that working out for new orleans? detroit? cincinatti? cleveland? philly?

for the record, NYC, undoubtedly one of the safest large cities in the country now, has extremely limited use of concealed carry along with some of the toughest gun laws.

perhaps this issue isn't quite as simple as you make it out to be.

Other big cities have crime problems, but none of them have it at the persistent level that Chicago has. None of those other cities have the gang structures that Chicago has. The gangs are domestic terrorists, and should be handled as such.

And yes, concealed carry does work in other states that it has been implemented in. The argument by gun-control-freaks has been that it will cause "wild west shootouts" but in the decades (centuries?) that we have had it, that is not the case in modern society.

[rubbersoul89]

Originally Posted by Link N. Parker

Other big cities have crime problems, but none of them have it at the persistent level that Chicago has. None of those other cities have the gang structures that Chicago has. The gangs are domestic terrorists, and should be handled as such.

Tell that to people from Detroit or New Orleans or any number of other cities.

Chicago is the third largest city in the country. NYC and LA have cleaned up a lot since 20 years ago, and while Chicago has too, it hasn't at the same rate that those two cities have. so yes, chicago gets the rep of being a "gang city". if you go down the line, though, there are numerous large cities with worse crime rates than chicago. so i'm not sure quite how you can claim that chicago is some kind of outlier, it's simply not true.

And yes, concealed carry does work in other states that it has been implemented in.

we're not talking about entire states, we're talking about cities.

why hasn't it worked in those cities?

you can add balitmore, oakland, and several other cities to that list as well.

[CityLife!]

I know this is kind of out of the subject, but there was an 18 year old girl visiting family in North Chicago (15 minutes away from where I live) who was shot and killed Friday, and her sister was at President Obama's speech about gun violence the same day.

[Wild100s]

Originally Posted by Link N. Parker

No, violence is not everywhere...not this type of violence. Not at the levels that certain areas of Chicago seems to continually experience decade after decade. I can go to any town or city outside of Chicago and experience a relatively peaceful sense of stability and safety. This is a problem bred by broken families and a specific culture that worships death and violence.

Why don't you move to Flint, Gary, Philly, St. Louis or Tulsa (where a record 12 people were murdered in the first three weeks of 2013) and see if your theory holds true.

[Link N. Parker]

Originally Posted by rubbersoul89

so you actually think chicago is some anomaly when it comes to violence and large cities in the US?

that's delusional, sounds like you've fully bought into the media narrative.



How's that working out for new orleans? detroit? cincinatti? cleveland? philly?

for the record, NYC, undoubtedly one of the safest large cities in the country now, has extremely limited use of concealed carry along with some of the toughest gun laws.

perhaps this issue isn't quite as simple as you make it out to be.

NYC is "safer" now because they took all their poor people and pushed them out of the city limits via gentrification, and voila! A safe city.

But notice the way they did it...they spread the poor people around, instead of keeping them all in concentrated areas. It seems to be the concentration, the density, of poor people, that causes the problems.

[rubbersoul89]

Originally Posted by Link N. Parker

NYC is "safer" now because they took all their poor people and pushed them out of the city limits via gentrification, and voila! A safe city.

But notice the way they did it...they spread the poor people around, instead of keeping them all in concentrated areas. It seems to be the concentration, the density, of poor people, that causes the problems.

sure, you're essentially right. that, along with stop and frisk type laws, have made NYC safer.

and yes, i would generally agree that concentrated poverty is at the root of this issue, but again, chicago is hardly unique in that sense.

[hot_in_dc]

Originally Posted by jonnynonos

The mob was absolutely running havoc until the feds got serious about destroying them. But once the FBI turned its eyes on them, and put the appropriate laws in place, it leveled them very quickly. I don't know why they can't come up with a similar law to RICO to apply to gangbangers. Or, rather, why they don't.

The "mob" take down included surveillance and wire tapping and even attending funerals and weddings of family and friends and any one with a vowel at the end of their names.

Gangs may not exist today if there existed a stronger organized criminal presence in the city like the mob, which the gangs would have feared and respected much more than the police.

The city is an ecosystem and removing the mob as the top of the food chain in the ecosystem allowed the gangs to flourish.

[hot_in_dc]

Originally Posted by linicx

Ever heard of Sheriff Joe and Maricopa County, AZ? He has one of those desert islands with tents, 5,000+ prisoners and the only accredited high school in America inside a prison. And he has a trained posse of 2500 volunteers to track, find and return escapees. Residents pay not one centavo for any volunteer service.
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Isn't Eric Holder and the Department of Justice suing Sheriff Joe on behalf of the U.S.?

[jonnynonos]

Originally Posted by hot_in_dc

The "mob" take down included surveillance and wire tapping and even attending funerals and weddings of family and friends and any one with a vowel at the end of their names.

Gangs may not exist today if there existed a stronger organized criminal presence in the city like the mob, which the gangs would have feared and respected much more than the police.

The city is an ecosystem and removing the mob as the top of the food chain in the ecosystem allowed the gangs to flourish.

Arguably. Most people think they kept drugs out of Bridgeport. A lot has changed about the city's demographics though, regardless of the mob.