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Old 04-26-2013, 11:03 AM
 
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How much would you guys consider to be a "few" neighborhoods??

B/c i can think of SEVERAL neighborhoods in Chicago where crime is a real issue, and some more neighborhoods where crime is still a moderate concern.
When the word "dangerous" is used (as it is in this thread title), people are usually talking more specifically about violent crime rather than crime in general. While it can (and does) occur anywhere, in Chicago it's most heavily concentrated in Austin and Englewood, and some of their bordering neighborhoods. Pretty much anywhere else it's probably within a standard deviation of the national mean.

Relative to the rest of the first world, I'd say our entire nation has a problem with violent crime, and it doesn't appear our lawmakers have any desire to address that anytime soon.
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Old 04-26-2013, 11:13 AM
 
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When the word "dangerous" is used (as it is in this thread title), people are usually talking more specifically about violent crime rather than crime in general. While it can (and does) occur anywhere, in Chicago it's most heavily concentrated in Austin and Englewood, and some of their bordering neighborhoods. Pretty much anywhere else it's probably within a standard deviation of the national mean.
Very much so. Well at least 6 months ago, 75% of the homicides in Chicago from 2007 were committed in only 25% of the 77 community areas. I calculated that the other 75% of community areas in Chicago basically have a similar homicide rate as NYC and Los Angeles. I should recalculate that to today..

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Relative to the rest of the first world, I'd say our entire nation has a problem with violent crime, and it doesn't appear our lawmakers have any desire to address that anytime soon.
Sad isn't it?
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Old 04-26-2013, 11:18 AM
 
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Very much so. Well at least 6 months ago, 75% of the homicides in Chicago from 2007 were committed in only 25% of the 77 community areas. I calculated that the other 75% of community areas in Chicago basically have a similar homicide rate as NYC and Los Angeles. I should recalculate that to today..
I don't see how that is any different than any other big city in the country. I would wager NYC, LA, BOS, SF, DC all roughly have 75% of their homicides in 25% of the land area/neighborhoods.
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Old 04-26-2013, 11:23 AM
 
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I don't see how that is any different than any other big city in the country. I would wager NYC, LA, BOS, SF, DC all roughly have 75% of their homicides in 25% of the land area/neighborhoods.
When did I ever say in my post that it was different than any other big city? I was merely bringing up a statistic for Chicago.

And sure, we should calculate what it is for the other large cities in the US if we can like NYC, LA, etc. It would be interesting to see which cities in the US, at least for homicides, are more spread out than others on average.
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Old 04-26-2013, 11:32 AM
 
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When did I ever say in my post that it was different than any other big city? I was merely bringing up a statistic for Chicago.

And sure, we should calculate what it is for the other large cities in the US if we can like NYC, LA, etc. It would be interesting to see which cities in the US, at least for homicides, are more spread out than others on average.
You didn't say it, but often times people on this forum use the crutch of "Chicago's murders are concentrated in certain areas (south side/west side)" and while that may be true, it is true of almost all US cities.
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Old 04-26-2013, 11:34 AM
 
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You didn't say it, but often times people on this forum use the crutch of "Chicago's murders are concentrated in certain areas (south side/west side)" and while that may be true, it is true of almost all US cities.
First of all, as I do that too, it's not meant to differentiate it from other cities. The point of bringing it up is to tell people who think all of Chicago is a rampant war zone that they will probably not run into any serious crime if they stay away from those areas, especially if they're just visiting for a few days. The media portrays Chicago sometimes as a dangerous hell hole, and the point of bringing it up is to educate the people ignorant to this fact we're bringing up.

Also, I would wager that some cities are more spread out than others, but usually they're the more dangerous mid sized cities and not necessarily the large ones.

Another dimension to this is proximity to "good" neighborhoods. Some are better than others about this. You can easily walk into Tenderloin (which is overrated for "danger" on another note IMO) in San Fran from a good neighborhood if you aren't careful, and I guess the same is true if you're walking from say Hyde Park, but some cities are better at segregating the violence via location than others too.
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Old 04-26-2013, 11:40 AM
 
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First of all, as I do that too, it's not meant to differentiate it from other cities. The point of bringing it up is to tell people who think all of Chicago is a rampant war zone that they will probably not run into any serious crime if they stay away from those areas, especially if they're just visiting for a few days. The media portrays Chicago sometimes as a dangerous hell hole, and the point of bringing it up is to educate the people ignorant to this fact we're bringing up.

I understand, maybe I give people too much credit; I would assume any intelligent person would understand that the violent crime in Chicago (or any other major city) is concentrated to specific areas.
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Old 04-26-2013, 11:42 AM
 
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I understand, maybe I give people too much credit; I would assume any intelligent person would understand that the violent crime in Chicago (or any other major city) is concentrated to specific areas.
My experience is that people listen a lot to the media and even the ones who are aware of this general statistic for large cities sometimes throw it out for Chicago whether they're just visiting here or just moving here.

Even some people who live here, outside of the general Loop, NNS, Lincoln Park, Lakeview, Lincoln Square areas and Englewood, Humboldt Park, etc don't have a huge clue ...sometimes. I know someone who's lived here for 20 years and thinks Ashburn is as dangerous as say..Englewood.

Also, people on the outside tend to generally listen to the media and think ALL of the south side is bad and I've met many residents here who think the same thing.
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Old 04-26-2013, 11:44 AM
 
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I understand, maybe I give people too much credit; I would assume any intelligent person would understand that the violent crime in Chicago (or any other major city) is concentrated to specific areas.
I think people who have little experience with big cities (most of the American population) don't realize how segregated crime tends to be in Chicago (and other cities).
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Old 04-26-2013, 12:00 PM
 
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I don't see how that is any different than any other big city in the country.
It's not. That's part of the point being made.
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