Sometimes This City Sucks (Chicago, Mark: to live, law, dangerous)

[urza216]

Originally Posted by nearnorth

Sigh...I should really give up on you, as everyone else appears to have wisely done, but I refuse to believe you are truly too dense to get this, especially when you're staring right at it, so I will attempt once again.

First of all, there is no list of "overall crime rate" (whatever the hell that would even mean on a global scale) at that link. There are, however, numerous "first world" countries (again, whatever the hell THAT even means in 2013..I'm assuming you mean countries with large economies) above the U.S. on the list in EVERY SINGLE CATEGORY listed. Belgium, Australia, England, Canada, Germany, Mexico, France, and on...and on....and on.

My original post recieved 3 reps. I've gotten 5 reps on this thread. And one person publicly back me up on the forum. I made people think and obviously pushed some buttons too.

America still has one of the highest crime rates out of any developed nation yet one of the largest prison populations. Is anyone gonna disrupte that? Is the point of my post really refuted if it's only "one of them" and not "number one"? In "EVERY SINGLE CATEGORY " the United States is pretty high on the list. And yet we have the largest prison population of any developed nation. What's up with that?

Even more data is on my shelf in the book Crime And Punishment In America. You should read it.

[urza216]

*dispute that

[urza216]

Actually, the U.S has THE highest incarceration rate in the world. So why isn't it one of the safest? At the very least, it has an ABOVE AVERAGE crime rate among developed nations. Is anyone gonna deny that?

Sorry for being stubborn and dense and making everyone sigh but it just doesn't make sense to me..

[nearnorth]

Originally Posted by urza216

Actually, the U.S has THE highest incarceration rate in the world.

Correct. Not disputed.

Originally Posted by urza216

At the very least, it has an ABOVE AVERAGE crime rate among developed nations.

Also correct. Also not disputed.

Once again, you're changing your argument.

[urza216]

Originally Posted by nearnorth

Also correct. Also not disputed.

Once again, you're changing your argument.

No, I am not. My argument has been exactly the same and my argument has never actually been tackled by anyone. Me saying the U.S has the highest crime rate of any first world county has been disputed. But the whole point of me saying that was to criticize the justice system..

My argument is that the U.S has a high incarceration rate and high crime rate so that whole statement about "the justice system should stop f***ing around" is silly. Handing out life sentences like parking violations (or whatever the OP said) isn't gonna work..

The point of my post hasn't really been called out, only a specific thing I said. And my premise is far from false as you just admitted by saying "not disputing".

And I NEVER said the U.S has a higher crime rate than all other counties. I was only talking about First World countries. What do you mean "once again"? Do I really have to explain this again? The whole sentence referred to first world countries not just the end of it.

[ChiNaan]

Originally Posted by urza216

My original post recieved 3 reps. I've gotten 5 reps on this thread.

So you've got that going for you, which is nice.

[urza216]

Originally Posted by ChiNaan

So you've got that going for you, which is nice.

Yep, and my last post got another rep on this thread. Soo.. Do you even disagree with what I said and the justice system? What exactly is the problem here?

[ChiNaan]

Originally Posted by urza216

No, I am not.

Not only are you, it's practically all you do. You've established a well-observed pattern here by now.

Originally Posted by urza216

Me saying the U.S has the highest crime rate of any first world county has been disputed.

It wasn't disputed. It was disproven. Learn and accept the difference.

Originally Posted by urza216

My argument is that the U.S has a high incarceration rate

That is an accurate statement. That's why nobody called you out on it. The other statement was inaccurate, which is why several people called you out on it. See how that works?

Originally Posted by urza216

And I NEVER said the U.S has a higher crime rate than all other counties. I was only talking about First World countries.

First you said one, then you said the other. That's moot, though, since both were incorrect. Multiple people posted multiple links clearly illustrating that both were incorrect. You actually read the links (or at least claimed to), and continued to claim that you were right. Surely you can see how people are going to call you out on that.

It really is easy to just admit you made a mistake, move on, and have everyone respect you. For your sake I hope you try it sometime. For the sake of entertainment on this forum, though, a part of me hopes you never do.

[ChiNaan]

Originally Posted by urza216

Yep, and my last post got another rep on this thread.

Gosh, that must mean that you're right and the data from the UN is wrong, then. There's no disputing the highly scientific C-D "rep" system.

[urza216]

Originally Posted by ChiNaan

First you said one, then you said the other. That's moot, though, since both were incorrect. Multiple people posted multiple links clearly illustrating that both were incorrect. You actually read the links (or at least claimed to), and continued to claim that you were right. Surely you can see how people are going to call you out on that.

It really is easy to just admit you made a mistake, move on, and have everyone respect you. For your sake I hope you try it sometime. For the sake of entertainment on this forum, though, a part of me hopes you never do.

What's your problem? Do you think I'm lying or something?

My sentence was, "America has the highest crime rate and yet the highest incarceration rate of any first world country" or something to that affect. I NEVER said it had the highest crime rate of any county. I know it doesn't. You can't tell me what I know or don't know. Just because you misunderstood my comment, that doesn't make your misunderstanding of my comment what I meant to say. I NEVER said America has the highest crime rate of any country. Why do you people keep on insisting I said something I didn't say when I explained myself over and over again?

The only mistake is the poor reading comprehension of my comment and the lack of clarity. However, the entire sentence was referring to first world countries not just the end of it.

Originally Posted by ChiNaan

It wasn't disputed. *It was disproven. *Learn and accept the difference.


That is an accurate statement. *That's why nobody called you out on it. *The other statement was inaccurate, which is why several people called you out on it. *See how that works?

The data in Drover's link placed the U.S in a high crime rate in all categories. What other first would county was placed in a high crime category in every single category in that cluster of data? Nothing was disproven. This is why no one can name one first world country with a higher crime rate than the U.S. You are far from a scientific mind if you think that link disproved my statement.

Perhaps the real problem is that you have a problem with me. You don't really think that link PROVED anything, do you?

Proof that America doesn't have the highest crime rate out of any first would country =
Being able to name one first world country with a higher overall crime rate

Originally Posted by nana053

World Map - Top Ten Countries With Highest Reported Crime Rates

Sooo.. The U.S is number 1 in crime on here. Let's hyper-focus on Drover's link and pretend no one posted this though.

I'm willing to bet a million bucks ChiNaan didn't even click this link. No, I don't have a million bucks but that's fine.