low income white areas (Chicago, Schaumburg: estate, broker, apartments)

[Wasabe]

I don't think poor whites actually exist in most parts of chicago except as recent immigrants from European countries. The fact that many hispanics are lighter than I am (and I am definitely white) complicates the calculation.

If you want to see real card-carrying poor whites, go to Arkansas or Appalachia. Jeff Foxworthy is not far wrong.

[Lookout Kid]

There are still poor Appalachians in Uptown, believe it or not--or at least their kids. I wouldn't quite say that "rich" whites are moving in. It's more of a middle-class phenomenon. If you were rich, you wouldn't need to live in Uptown, afterall! I gues there are mansions in Buena Park, but they have been there for 80 years--so it's not really a changing dynamic. "Big Jim" Thompson and Studs Terkel are residents.

There are poor whites all over the place in Chicagoland, but there are fewer and fewer areas that are poor and EXCLUSIVELY white.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by Lookout Kid

There are still poor Appalachians in Uptown, believe it or not--or at least their kids. I wouldn't quite say that "rich" whites are moving in. It's more of a middle-class phenomenon. If you were rich, you wouldn't need to live in Uptown, afterall! I gues there are mansions in Buena Park, but they have been there for 80 years--so it's not really a changing dynamic. "Big Jim" Thompson and Studs Terkel are residents.

There are poor whites all over the place in Chicagoland, but there are fewer and fewer areas that are poor and EXCLUSIVELY white.

Very observant of you. Actually, I think those mansions are older than that...What do you define as rich?

[KevK]

Originally Posted by Lookout Kid

There are still poor Appalachians in Uptown, believe it or not--or at least their kids. I wouldn't quite say that "rich" whites are moving in. It's more of a middle-class phenomenon. If you were rich, you wouldn't need to live in Uptown, afterall! I gues there are mansions in Buena Park, but they have been there for 80 years--so it's not really a changing dynamic. "Big Jim" Thompson and Studs Terkel are residents.

There are poor whites all over the place in Chicagoland, but there are fewer and fewer areas that are poor and EXCLUSIVELY white.

There are a few poor Appalachians in Uptown but nowhere near the numbers that lived there in the past. Few Appalachians come to Chicago anymore because there is plenty of work in the construction trades closer to home now.

[Joe107]

alot of the northwestern suburbs of chicago are white and low income

[Johnny Northside]

The 2000 figures are so old, but River Grove would qualify at 85%+ white, median household income of 42K and less than 15% with a college degree. Since then white flight has begun in Elmwood Park (not poor to begin with) to the east and from the south there's probably some overflow of Hispanics from Melrose Park. To the west, Franklin Park is very Hispanic. But in River Grove, there are still places like the Loon Cafe that cater to an exclusively white and mostly blue collar crowd.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by Johnny Northside

The 2000 figures are so old, but River Grove would qualify at 85%+ white, median household income of 42K and less than 15% with a college degree. Since then white flight has begun in Elmwood Park (not poor to begin with) to the east and from the south there's probably some overflow of Hispanics from Melrose Park. To the west, Franklin Park is very Hispanic. But in River Grove, there are still places like the Loon Cafe that cater to an exclusively white and mostly blue collar crowd.

42k is not low income. Lower/Middle Middle class, yes, but not low income.
There are many retirees in River Grove so that skews the actual situation a bit.

[Lookout Kid]

I would call River Grove a mix of working and middle class, not poor. Granted, it's getting a lot harder to be lower-middle class in this country! I'm sure there are some poor residents, but they're definitely not the dominant social group.

[valpoguy]

I don't know what qualifies as "poor" by Chicago standards, but I know plenty of low-ish income white people (teachers, grad students, etc.) who live in the far north neighborhoods (Rogers Park, Andersonville, Edgewater, Uptown) and in some of the west neighborhoods (Ukrainian Village and Logan Square, just beyond the yuppification that is taking over Wicker Park and Bucktown). You can share an older apartment in any of those areas and live pretty cheaply, it seems.

[drummercycle]

i'm a poor white person and i live in ukrainian village.