View Poll Results: Do you support this High-Speed Rail Proposal?
Yes
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10-30-2014, 06:34 PM
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My fictional HSR network had the following lines:Chicago - Davenport - Des Moine - Omaha - Denver (optional)Chicago - Indianpolis - Cincinnati - Columbus - Cleveland - Buffalo - Rochester (NY) - Syracuse (NY) - Albany (NY) - Boston
10-30-2014, 07:20 PM
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Not likely. There is only one round trip a day now, so ridership would be slow to build. No good route, the existing is plagued with crossings and single track. Indiana has yet to throw its support behind it. Saving grace: the majestic, though underutilized, Cincinnati Union Terminal.
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10-30-2014, 07:36 PM
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Who wants to go to Cincinnati?
10-30-2014, 07:52 PM
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Who wants to go to Cincinnati?
Rail lines work best with multiple destinations. Travel combinations and stuff, lol.
10-30-2014, 07:56 PM
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i dont want to go to fast, it reminds me of those movies where the train goes too fast and has an accident.. How fast is this train supposed to go? Plus i could not enjoy the nice scenery going by.
10-31-2014, 07:04 AM
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They talk about high speed rail all the time. Anyone see a high speed rail going in anywhere in the midwest yet? All talk as usual.
10-31-2014, 08:41 AM
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No. It would take a lot of commitment from IN and OH, there's little demand on that route, and it seems those states aren't interested in high-speed rail. The corridors that really should be the focus (I think) are Chi-StL, Chi-Mpls, and Chi-Det. Work is almost done for the Chi-StL upgrade to 110 MPH. I've ridden it several times, and while the higher speed is only sustained for a short period currently, the track and train upgrades are nice. (I'm also aware that this isn't 'true' high-speed rail.) There's also talk of MN circumventing WI to make a high-speed connection from MN through IA and IL. If it actually goes through, I think it would be a bad move on the part of WI, but who knows what will actually happen.
10-31-2014, 09:02 AM
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They talk about high speed rail all the time. Anyone see a high speed rail going in anywhere in the midwest yet? All talk as usual.
Of course it is all talk... it is because of this:
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Maintainschaos
No. It would take a lot of commitment from IN and OH, there's little demand on that route, and it seems those states aren't interested in high-speed rail. The corridors that really should be the focus (I think) are Chi-StL, Chi-Mpls, and Chi-Det. Work is almost done for the Chi-StL upgrade to 110 MPH. I've ridden it several times, and while the higher speed is only sustained for a short period currently, the track and train upgrades are nice. (I'm also aware that this isn't 'true' high-speed rail.) There's also talk of MN circumventing WI to make a high-speed connection from MN through IA and IL. If it actually goes through, I think it would be a bad move on the part of WI, but who knows what will actually happen.
Regressive thinking.
Corridors develop because of rail, not to service rail. The major world cities all developed via ports and rail.
10-31-2014, 09:09 AM
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Nonsense...
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Maintainschaos
No. It would take a lot of commitment from IN and OH, there's little demand on that route, and it seems those states aren't interested in high-speed rail. The corridors that really should be the focus (I think) are Chi-StL, Chi-Mpls, and Chi-Det. Work is almost done for the Chi-StL upgrade to 110 MPH. I've ridden it several times, and while the higher speed is only sustained for a short period currently, the track and train upgrades are nice. (I'm also aware that this isn't 'true' high-speed rail.) There's also talk of MN circumventing WI to make a high-speed connection from MN through IA and IL. If it actually goes through, I think it would be a bad move on the part of WI, but who knows what will actually happen.
There are just not enough passengers that would ever NEED to travel between ANY of those cities for it to make economic sense!
I have nothing against Cincinnati, it is nice enough town. If you have business with firms there you want to get in and waste as little time as possible. Even at speeds averaging well over 100 mph (which not possible with the condition of US rail...) it would be orders of magnitude slower than a plane from Midway /O'Hare / Milwaukee.
St. Louis might be a wee bit more feasible, but when you can drive there and back in one day the whole premise of rail seems ridiculous, especially given the notoriously spread out concentric circles of development that mean few firms are actually close to the old rail station.
Detroit has all those problems PLUS the factors or hideous delays from the freight rail that is the life blood of the auto industries -- steel for automakers is a lot more vital than some doofus that can fire-up a WebEx conference from their desktop but wants to go visit the strip shows in Windsor after their big Detroit meeting.
You gotta be kidding if you think Minnesota makes any sense for high speed rail -- the "twin cities" idea of "urban density" is mostly towns with homes not closer together than a North Shore suburb like Wilmette! Toss in the fact that they have some of the most miserable weather conditions for any kind of surface travel and the whole idea is just silly. The towns in north east Iowa are increasingly becoming depopulated as mechanized agriculture requires less and less labor force. Folks are not going to take kindly to some locomotive rocketing throw a cute old downtown for no good reason!
There is just no support for these ideas beyond the small cadre of dreamers that I derisively call the "toy train types" -- such people have utterly no perspective. I mean it is one thing to look at the greater "Northeast Corridor" and see that the density and ridership along with topography and patterns of commerce might be conducive to more frequent / higher velocity rail travel but quite another to try to impose these fantasies on the Midwest or West Coast where the whole idea is likely to do more harm than good... The wrong pricing model will end up shifting public subsidized upfront costs onto tax payers and allow the profit making firms that provide equipment and/or operations to make out like bandits --
http://systemicfailure.wordpress.com...ricing-models/ . This is the same sort of thing that folks cry about in regard to the "loss" of trolleys / street cars when private vehicles became more popular! Folks will rue the day that they underwrite "luxury" travel with thier taxes...
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Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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