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Old 01-03-2008, 06:53 AM
 
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The suburbs have been pushing their crap on the city since the beginning of the suburbs, so I have no problem with spreading the love. It's a good thing for poverty to be less concentrated and spread throughout the metro area a bit more. The suburbs' entire reason for existence is to separate people.
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Old 01-03-2008, 07:32 AM
 
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Actually, the CPD did that. One of their key strategies now is to push crime out of the city, period. They don't care where the gangs end up, as long they are out of the city. Hence, the surge in gang activity and crime in the suburbs, especially the inner ring 'burbs.
Yes, thank you. I want to reitterate again, who did? THE CITY DID! Who runs the city? DALEY. Say it with me everyone... D A L E Y. I'm not mad at him for doing that because it is a good idea to get the gangs broken up and such, it just seemed a bit sneaky how he did it.

Also someone said the burbs are pushing their crap on the city??????? How so? What crap would you be speaking of? The nicely built homes, safe neighborhoods, educated people for hire in the thousands of offices downtown, the suburbanite's money to spend in the city, the excellent shopping in the burbs, and there is too much more to names so I would love to hear what crap you are speaking of and I'm sure many others would too especially since there are more of us (suburbanites) than city dwellers now. Also lets not forget that the city came first then the burbs, so which crap came first the chicken or the egg.

Which would you prefer, to have people more spread out so there is some breathing room, or have NY where everyone is piled on top of eachother and it is just wall to wall people and bumper to bumper horn honking traffic to the point that EMS cannot even get through?
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Old 01-03-2008, 07:41 AM
 
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Which would you prefer, to have people more spread out so there is some breathing room, or have NY where everyone is piled on top of eachother and it is just wall to wall people and bumper to bumper horn honking traffic to the point that EMS cannot even get through?
I would rather have compact, liveable neighborhoods so that you dont HAVE to drive everywhere, and in turn conserve what little natural resources and land we have left. Density>Sprawl.

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Old 01-03-2008, 07:59 AM
 
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These are 3 years old, but the closest I could find. I was looking at the numbers for the different counties in the Chicago metro. Kinda interesting, if you like numbers.

County/Population/Homicides/Rate

Cook County - 5,351,552 - 554 - 10.35
DuPage County - 925,188 - 16 - 1.73
Lake County - 685,019 - 9 - 1.31
Will County - 586,706 - 17 - 2.89
Kane County - 457,122 - 20 - 4.38
McHenry County - 286,091 - 5 - 1.74
Kankakee County - 105,625 - 2 - 1.90
DeKalb County - 94,041 - 0 - 0.00
Kendall County - 66,565 - 2 - 3.00
Grundy County - 39,528 - 0 - 0.00

Total:

8,597,407 people
625 homicides.
Overall total for Illinois portion: 7.27/100,000

Total without city of Chicago:

5,728,516 people
177 homicides.
Overall total for Illinois portion (-Chicago): 3.08/100,000

Total without Cook County:

3,245,855 people
71 homicides.
Overall total for Illinois portion (-Cook): 2.18/100,000




I didn't count the ~750,000 living in Indiana/Wisconsin cause I didn't have the numbers.
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Old 01-03-2008, 08:01 AM
 
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The city ended 2007 with 442 homicides.

1990: 851
1991: 927
1992: 943
1993: 931
1994: 929
1995: 827
1996: 789
1997: 759
1998: 704
1999: 641
2000: 628
2001: 666
2002: 647
2003: 598
2004: 448
2005: 449
2006: 452
2007: 442
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Old 01-03-2008, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Volker, Kansas City, MO
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To halve murders in 15 years is pretty darn impressive no matter how you look at it or who you compare it to. It gives people the confidence to move back to the city.
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Old 01-03-2008, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Oak Park, IL
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A few rhetorical questions.

1. Given the dramatic decrease in homicide over the years, can we expect further decreases in the future or has this trend bottomed out?

2. How much of this is demographically driven (ie due to gentrification) versus more effective policing strategy?

3. What additional lessons from the NYC experience can be applied in Chicago, if any?

It would be amazing and wonderful if the homicide rate eventually dropped to NYC levels (5/100k). Crime is probably the number one factor holding back the redevelopment of the worst off neighborhoods of Chicago. Imagine what a different city it would be with an annual homicide count of 150 or less.
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Old 01-03-2008, 10:16 AM
 
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NYC has taken a very aggressive stance on crime where there are cops basically everywhere all over the streets of which really will make a criminal think twice before committing a crime such as murder.

On the other hand, Chicago is going broke basically where we can't even afford our public transit. We are laying cops off as well as other city workers more and more to lessen our expenses so I am actually surprised that the murder rate has dropped as much as it has in Chicago.

I see cops out on the streets more now than ever. Many desk cops are even being assigned to a beat. In Edgewater and Rogers Park, you see cops not only patroling, but even sitting in unmarked cars throughout the neighborhood. Their presence is definately known. Just my observation.

When did the city lay off cops? I must have missed that. I was under the impression that Daley wanted to add 50-60 more cops under his original proposed budget?
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Old 01-03-2008, 10:19 AM
 
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Other cities rates from 2007(from what I can find):

83.6 - new orleans
46.38 - detroit
44.69 - baltimore
39.42 - st. louis
31.15 - d.c.
27.5 - cleveland
26.93 - philadelphia
26.25 - atlanta
24.47 - memphis
23.88 - miami
18.89 - jacksonville
17.62 - milwaukee
16.39 - dallas
16.37 - houston
15.42 - chicago
14.17 - phoenix
13.17 - san fran
11.18 - boston
10.10 - l.a.
5.94 - nyc

Check this out....other cities in the world. I wonder if most Americans are aware that our homicide rates are FAR and above almost everywhere else on earth. Only a few places in South America, Russia, Africa beat the US... Even most Brazillian cities are on par with Miami or Atlanta, but people think of them as dangerous. Moscow, the murder capital of Europe, has a rate of less than half that of St. Louis (18.0).

4.30 - Buenos Aires
3.80 - Berlin
3.40 - Toronto
3.20 - Amsterdam
3.16 - Stockholm
3.10 - Milan
3.00 - Zurich
2.32 - London
2.30 - Montreal
2.21 - Paris
1.85 - Oskaka (known as the "Murder Capital" of Japan)
1.85 - Oslo
1.56 - Hamburg
1.40 - Tokyo
0.99 - Copenhagen
0.91 - Madrid
0.90 - Rome
0.80 - Hong Kong
0.20 - Melbourne

You're 104 times more likely to be killed in New Orleans than you are in Hong Kong.

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Old 01-03-2008, 10:23 AM
 
Location: AZ
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To halve murders in 15 years is pretty darn impressive no matter how you look at it or who you compare it to. It gives people the confidence to move back to the city.
Amen! Its time we give credit where credit is due. Major props to the city of Chicago, lets keep the good work going!
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