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Old 01-14-2010, 10:54 PM
 
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whatever i guess 600 homicides is acceptable to you.
That's not a rate, that's a tally. In 2006 your Minneapolis had 15.2 murders per 100,000 residents and Chicago had 16.4. When adjusted for population Chicago isn't even close to the most murderous city in America. Maybe you should be more worried about what's going on in your own back yard.
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Old 01-15-2010, 11:33 AM
 
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That's not a rate, that's a tally. In 2006 your Minneapolis had 15.2 murders per 100,000 residents and Chicago had 16.4. When adjusted for population Chicago isn't even close to the most murderous city in America. Maybe you should be more worried about what's going on in your own back yard.
minneapolis had 19 homicides last year. i was wondering why so many cities are able to bring there homicide rate down and chicago has not. im not bashing chicago i have family there and if i didnt have a kid in minnesota i would move to chicago because it has alot to offer and minneapolis will never have 3,000,000 people. there are a lot more things to bash about minneapolis then chicago.
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Old 01-15-2010, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Oak Park, IL
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minneapolis had 19 homicides last year. i was wondering why so many cities are able to bring there homicide rate down and chicago has not. im not bashing chicago i have family there and if i didnt have a kid in minnesota i would move to chicago because it has alot to offer and minneapolis will never have 3,000,000 people. there are a lot more things to bash about minneapolis then chicago.
What are you talking about? Our rate has dropped in half over the past decade or so.
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Old 01-15-2010, 12:07 PM
 
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What are you talking about? Our rate has dropped in half over the past decade or so.
It only dropped in half, while New York's dropped by 75% or whatever.
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Old 01-15-2010, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Oak Park, IL
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It only dropped in half, while New York's dropped by 75% or whatever.
NYC has done an amazing job, no doubt. Still, its sounds silly to acknowledge a 50% reduction and then conclude that lowering our homicide rate is hopeless.
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Old 01-15-2010, 12:35 PM
 
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minneapolis had 19 homicides last year. i was wondering why so many cities are able to bring there homicide rate down and chicago has not. im not bashing chicago i have family there and if i didnt have a kid in minnesota i would move to chicago because it has alot to offer and minneapolis will never have 3,000,000 people. there are a lot more things to bash about minneapolis then chicago.
What do you mean? Chicago has been dropping along with everyone else. The homicide rate is roughly in the middle of the pack as far as large cities in the US at 16/100,000. New York is the low end of the spectrum. I certainly hope we keep going down to that level, but just because you're not #1 at something doesn't mean it's all a hopeless mess.

In the early 2000's Chicago was getting around 650 murders a year. That's dropped to around 450-460 murders a year since 2004 in most cases.

It's progress. I don't think Chicago really stands out as far as recent trends. Most people notice that it has a high sheer number because of the large population the city covers.

As stated before, this has been hashed out over and over again in other recent threads.

I don't understand how this one is different?
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Old 01-15-2010, 12:37 PM
 
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NYC has done an amazing job, no doubt. Still, its sounds silly to acknowledge a 50% reduction and then conclude that lowering our homicide rate is hopeless.
Absolutely. And looking at the demographics and economy of Chicago vs. that of New York it becomes apparent why things are different here.
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Old 01-15-2010, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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minneapolis had 19 homicides last year. i was wondering why so many cities are able to bring there homicide rate down and chicago has not...
Yours appears to be headed back up to normal levels. Last year you had a fluke 20 year low in murders. You are acting as though the average has been 20 a year for many years.

Maybe you need to worry about your own backyard.

"A man was shot to death late Friday on a south Minneapolis street, the city's fifth homicide of 2010, in a week that saw more than one-fourth the death toll in all of 2009..."

Minneapolis records fifth homicide of the new year | StarTribune.com (http://www.startribune.com/local/81057787.html?elr=KArksUUUU - broken link)
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Old 01-15-2010, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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NYC has done an amazing job, no doubt. Still, its sounds silly to acknowledge a 50% reduction and then conclude that lowering our homicide rate is hopeless.
And make no mistake, a big part of why NYC's murder rate has dropped faster and further than ours is because the criminal element has been priced out of the city quicker in NYC than it has here.
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Old 01-15-2010, 07:20 PM
 
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And make no mistake, a big part of why NYC's murder rate has dropped faster and further than ours is because the criminal element has been priced out of the city quicker in NYC than it has here.
That's sort of what I was hinting at with my "demographics and economy" statement, but your way of saying it is much more concise.
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