Are hipsters moving to Uptown? (Chicago, Cicero: middle-class, income, live in)

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by lenniel

So if I move to a new neighborhood, spend $800,000 on a house, it should bother me that my neighbors are low lifes who don't take care of their property, don't fix up their home, that bums go through the garbage, etc?

Well, you did move there.

[andrew61]

Originally Posted by lenniel

So if I move to a new neighborhood, spend $800,000 on a house, it should bother me that my neighbors are low lifes who don't take care of their property, don't fix up their home, that bums go through the garbage, etc?
Sorry, but I just don't have compassion for these people. I don't like bums, drug addicts, welfare queens, etc., etc.

Then why did you move to an area that had those problems?

Doesn't make any sense. It's like me not liking noise and then moving right next to the el, the airport, or a busy late-hours nightclub. The way I figure it, it's up to me to take personal responsibility and check out the ambience of a neighborhood before I decide to move there.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by andrew61

Then why did you move to an area that had those problems?

Doesn't make any sense. It's like me not liking noise and then moving right next to the el, the airport, or a busy late-hours nightclub. The way I figure it, it's up to me to take personal responsibility and check out the ambience of a neighborhood before I decide to move there.

Yeah, his kind moved into the area around Wrigley and started complaining about everything. Also, the same type of people moved near the airport in the last few decades and did the same. Some people have a lot of nerve with their attitudes.

[supernerdgirl]

this doesn't answer the question, but on Uptown Update (i think, unless people were talking about it on this thread) they were discussing how right where the 48th ward ends on Broadway- at Leland - is when things start looking shabbier. today I was walking from Borders to the Wilson stop and it's glaringly obvious if you look at things that way.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by supernerdgirl

this doesn't answer the question, but on Uptown Update (i think, unless people were talking about it on this thread) they were discussing how right where the 48th ward ends on Broadway- at Leland - is when things start looking shabbier. today I was walking from Borders to the Wilson stop and it's glaringly obvious if you look at things that way.

Now you are starting to notice things more and that is always good. The shape of the 46th ward is going to change greatly in the next remap. I expect the 48 and 44 to take some of the areas from the 46. Those areas will improve under Smith and Tunney (assuming they still are in office).The 46 might shrink dramatically even. We shall see.

Once the 46 ward more concerned residents, Schiller will get defeated. She barely won last election. Maybe I will run next election.;-)

[Lookout Kid]

Originally Posted by andrew61

Then why did you move to an area that had those problems?

Doesn't make any sense. It's like me not liking noise and then moving right next to the el, the airport, or a busy late-hours nightclub. The way I figure it, it's up to me to take personal responsibility and check out the ambience of a neighborhood before I decide to move there.

If the activities are illegal, then the guy has a legitimate complaint. Illegal activity shouldn't be tolerated anywhere, and the double standard that exists in the city in terms of law enforcement is deplorable. But if they are simply cultural, then you really can't complain.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by Lookout Kid

If the activities are illegal, then the guy has a legitimate complaint. Illegal activity shouldn't be tolerated anywhere, and the double standard that exists in the city in terms of law enforcement is deplorable. But if they are simply cultural, then you really can't complain.

My complaint is the guy's attitude of "just throw 'em in Cicero or Back o' the Yards and let those peasants deal with 'em." It simply shifts the problem into places that already have their own issues to deal with (and in the case of BOTY, problems that make Uptown's look trivial) instead of actually confronting it. It's an approach that has nothing to do with "it shouldn't be tolerated" so much as "it should be tolerated elsewhere but not here." Not to mention it's just a rotten attitude, period.

[Lookout Kid]

Originally Posted by Drover

My complaint is the guy's attitude of "just throw 'em in Cicero or Back o' the Yards and let those peasants deal with 'em." It simply shifts the problem into places that already have their own issues to deal with (and in the case of BOTY, problems that make Uptown's look trivial) instead of actually confronting it. It's an approach that has nothing to do with "it shouldn't be tolerated" so much as "it should be tolerated elsewhere but not here." Not to mention it's just a rotten attitude, period.

Sure, I'll agree with that.

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by Drover

My complaint is the guy's attitude of "just throw 'em in Cicero or Back o' the Yards and let those peasants deal with 'em." It simply shifts the problem into places that already have their own issues to deal with (and in the case of BOTY, problems that make Uptown's look trivial) instead of actually confronting it. It's an approach that has nothing to do with "it shouldn't be tolerated" so much as "it should be tolerated elsewhere but not here." Not to mention it's just a rotten attitude, period.

As big of a tool as this guy is, you have to admit that his comments reflect what is actually happening. Tens of thousands of people have been pushed out of gentrifying neighborhoods (and demolished CHA projects) over the past 10-15 years and into marginal City neighborhoods and suburbs. Not much has been said about this. I guess the prevailing attitude, thus far, is that as long as people don't have to look at it, or think about it, it's no big deal.

For every Wicker Park there's a Back of the Yards, Englewood, Calumet City, Robbins, and an Austin. It's almost like physics -- every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Gentrification is, overall, a good thing, but it definitely has a flip side.

[Lookout Kid]

Originally Posted by BRU67

As big of a tool as this guy is, you have to admit that his comments reflect what is actually happening. Tens of thousands of people have been pushed out of gentrifying neighborhoods (and demolished CHA projects) over the past 10-15 years and into marginal City neighborhoods and suburbs. Not much has been said about this. I guess the prevailing attitude, thus far, is that as long as people don't have to look at it, or think about it, it's no big deal.

For every Wicker Park there's a Back of the Yards, Englewood, Calumet City, Robbins, and an Austin. It's almost like physics -- every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Gentrification is, overall, a good thing, but it definitely has a flip side.

Yes, and it will be interesting to see what the new equilibrium will be once all of the movement settles down again... Will we end up like Europe with rich central cities and a ring of poor suburbs? What will our metro area look like in 50 years? The upheaval on the North Side of Chicago has been rapid and dramatic, and is now spreading to the South and West Sides. Where will it end and when? Some are buying rental properties in Garfield Park and Englewood... Will they ever see a payoff?