Are hipsters moving to Uptown? (Chicago, Albany: apartment, crime, theater)

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by neonwattagelimit

It seems to me that while welfare queens probably did exist, Reagan made it out to be a a far bigger problem than it actually was.

I have seen them firsthand in Chicago my whole life from the point I could recognize what they are.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by Lookout Kid

Montrose to roughly Lawrence, and the Red Line to the Lake is probably the roughest part of Uptown, though it's slowly improving. There are still condos getting built there, but you'd have to have a tremendous tolerance for urban ills if you were to move there--and the prices are only a little bit discounted. But a lot of new commercial development is happening around Lawrence and Broadway, and that looked bombed out just a few short years ago. Don't forget that this used to be the roughest neighborhood on the North Side outside of Cabrini Green!

I think Rogers Park was the roughest part after Cabrini Green. Uptown maybe fourth behind Albany Park(at least in the 90's).

Back in 1998, I took a couple classes at Truman College when I was in my early 20's. My Uncle, who is now almost 81 years old asked me what in the hell I was doing over there. He told me then even back when was in his early 20's (the late 1940's) the area by Wilson and Broadway was garbage.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by aragx6

Over a period of about five years, Reagan told the story of the "Chicago welfare queen" who had 80 names, 30 addresses, 12 Social Security cards, and collected benefits for "four nonexisting deceased husbands," bilking the government out of "over $150,000." The real welfare recipient to whom Reagan referred was actually convicted for using two different aliases to collect $8,000. Reagan continued to use his version of the story even after the press pointed out the actual facts of the case to him.

Ever see a person pull up to a food pantry or welfare office, park their car ,and pick up food or food stamps in a brand new Lexus or Cadillac with four kids in tow? I did not think so. I have many, many, many, times.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by Avengerfire

Ever see a person pull up to a food pantry or welfare office, park their car ,and pick up food or food stamps in a brand new Lexus or Cadillac with four kids in tow? I did not think so. I have many, many, many, times.

My favorite is seeing DirecTV dishes hanging off window ledges in Cabrini Green. Now that's not necessarily indicative of welfare fraud, but it sure does make you scratch your head, wonder about those folks' priorities, and wonder some more if any government program could help someone whose priorities are that screwed up.

Man, this thread is all over the place.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by Drover

My favorite is seeing DirecTV dishes hanging off window ledges in Cabrini Green. Now that's not necessarily indicative of welfare fraud, but it sure does make you scratch your head, wonder about those folks' priorities, and wonder some more if any government program could help someone whose priorities are that screwed up.

Man, this thread is all over the place.

I found it funny that Lookoutkid asked the question to begin with, because for the last 5 years or so the answer is obviously yes! He had to have known this? and yes it is funny how these threads go off on all kinds of tangents...

[skyeINIL]

Originally Posted by Avengerfire

Ever see a person pull up to a food pantry or welfare office, park their car ,and pick up food or food stamps in a brand new Lexus or Cadillac with four kids in tow? I did not think so. I have many, many, many, times.

I have NEVER seen this. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's definitely not the norm. I have been around welfare recipients a lot in my lifetime (heck, my family received food stamps for about 8 months back in the early 80's) and none of them have ever owned a luxury car, fur coats, eat filet mignon, or whatever other stereotype people attach to welfare families. I have to agree with aragx6 that it was an overblown fairy tale created to attach an added stigma to those who receive welfare.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by skye1974

I have NEVER seen this. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's definitely not the norm. I have been around welfare recipients a lot in my lifetime (heck, my family received food stamps for about 8 months back in the early 80's) and none of them have ever owned a luxury car, fur coats, eat filet mignon, or whatever other stereotype people attach to welfare families. I have to agree with aragx6 that it was an overblown fairy tale created to attach an added stigma to those who receive welfare.

Well I have seen this numerous times. So what is your point? You cannot negate what I have seen. I do not lie about what I have seen with my own eyes.

If you want to keep drinking the Liberal Kool Aid Agenda, be my guest. Maybe you should do more research instead of just believing what you are told by your party or preferred select sources. There are many disgusting instances of Welfare Queens. If you want to play revisionist history, go ahead too. Be my guest.

Just because you do not want to believe what I have experienced, does not mean my experiences are untrue and never happened.

I never said most people on welfare are living or have lived the good life. But do not for one minute think a huge majority are as destitute as you think. In fact many have lived far better than working people that work their asses off.

[skyeINIL]

Originally Posted by Avengerfire

Well I have seen this numerous times. So what is your point? You cannot negate what I have seen. I do not lie about what I have seen with my own eyes.

If you want to keep drinking the Liberal Kool Aid Agenda, be my guest. Maybe you should do more research instead of just believing what you are told by your party or preferred select sources. There are many disgusting instances of Welfare Queens. If you want to play revisionist history, go ahead too. Be my guest.

Just because you do not want to believe what I have experienced, does not mean my experiences are untrue and never happened.

I never said most people on welfare are living or have lived the good life. But do not for one minute think a huge majority are as destitute as you think. In fact many have lived far better than working people that work their asses off.

Wow! That's a bit of an overreaction. I didn't negate anything you said nor call you a liar. You've seen "welfare queens". I haven't.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by skye1974

Wow! That's a bit of an overreaction. I didn't negate anything you said nor call you a liar. You've seen "welfare queens". I haven't.

Sometimes I get "touchy." The whole arguement does not belong in this thread, I am not really sure how it got started. Oh well. I think what touched me off is when somebody who I will not name stated that welfare queens are a mythical creation and there never has been any and continued to claim that as a fact.

If I offended you, I am sorry. I just found it strange that I am not the only person that has given some credibility to existence of "welfare queens" and welfare misuse, but I was specifically critized because I stated that I have seen it hundreds of times.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by aragx6

Over a period of about five years, Reagan told the story of the "Chicago welfare queen" who had 80 names, 30 addresses, 12 Social Security cards, and collected benefits for "four nonexisting deceased husbands," bilking the government out of "over $150,000." The real welfare recipient to whom Reagan referred was actually convicted for using two different aliases to collect $8,000. Reagan continued to use his version of the story even after the press pointed out the actual facts of the case to him.

Keep reading honey. Stop getting all your facts from a biased source. I like you, just do better research before you repeat something you read on a biased activist site. Which would be from a site like this:

Jean Hardisty - Founder of PRA




Here is the truth and this is just from the era in which Reagan made his statement. Reagan repeated info from a story on this woman, the government was only able to prove the $8000 that is why she only was convicted of the $8000 only . Just because she was only charged and convicted of using two different aliases and stealing $8000 does not mean she never stole more than that.

If you want more examples of fraud I can get that too. Wow the N.Y. Times sure has a lot of stories on Welfare Fraud. Goodnight.

A DRUG RAID NETS 7 IN BRONX FAMILY; Suspects in $80,000 Home Received ... - Free Preview - The New York Times


Woman Surrenders In Big Welfare Case - Free Preview - The New York Times

Report Alleges Welfare Fraud Of $25 Million - Free Preview - The New York Times

Goldin Audit Finds Fraud In Women on Welfare Not Reporting Marriages - Free Preview - The New York Times

$34,812 Welfare Fraud Alleged - Free Preview - The New York Times

FRAUD IN WELFARE IS CHARGED TO 42; City and State Employees in Bronx L... - Free Preview - The New York Times

Woman in New York Is Charged with welfare Fraud in Two Counties - Free Preview - The New York Times

10,000 Who Received Welfare Fraudulently Repay by Installments; Some F... - Free Preview - The New York Times

CARTER OPENS DRIVE ON FEDERAL WASTE; Attacks Fraud, Abuse and Error in... - Free Preview - The New York Times

57 Indicted in Welfare Fraud - Free Preview - The New York Times

Coast Woman Is Guilty In Giant Welfare Fraud - Free Preview - The New York Times


Queens Woman, 29, Is Held on 2d Case Of Welfare Fraud - Free Preview - The New York Times

Welfare Detectives At Work; Henry Burner and Evelyn Caracciolo, welfar... - Free Preview - The New York Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/23/ny...ud&oref=slogin

Welfare queen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Chicago / Welfare Queen (CBS) from the Vanderbilt Television News Archive

"The program for better jobs and income": welfare reform,

'Welfare Queen' Loses Her Cadillac Limousine - Free Preview - The New York Times

Woman's Aid Claims for 38 Children Are Examined - Free Preview - The New York Times