Chicago "Cook County" Approves $13.00 hr Minimum Wage (neighborhood, wages)

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by coldwhine

Sympatheticness is not a word. You can have sympathy, you can sympathize; likewise, you may have empathy, and you may empathize.



That is indeed a very accurate description of how I genuinely live my life. You have the freedom of speech, but I am not certain why you would believe I am obligated to listen. Whatever you say does not have to be meaningful to me. Who do you think you are, that your words should carry such weight?

You are simply unimportant. We all are. Such is the way of life.



Harsh? No one thinks you're being harsh with these milquetoast sentiments. When I took you and BRU to task over expressing your juvenile opinions on economics, that was harsh.

That you chose to quote Wikipedia did make me feel guilty, because I wondered if you were someone of limited mental capacity.

I genuinely do not care what you think of me. Why would I? The opinions of others are just that: opinions.



Except that you did not go outside of my talking points. I had no talking points. I was pointing out the flaws in your reasoning and demanding that you substantiate your pedestrian logic.

You failed to do so. You even mistook Wikipedia for primary literature. You were unable to construct a cogent response. If you would like to try again, I may bother to read it.



Clinton never stood a chance of winning, and I was under no illusion otherwise.

Anyways, Trump supporters were never closet racists. They are quite overtly racist, which is why Trump could scam so many of them so efficiently. It's also why the KKK and other white nationalist groups support him.

Middle America pulled this exact same maneuver just a few years ago. Elect an "outsider" who "tells it like it is" because they need to feel special and an uppity black man dared to rise above his station.

It was called the Tea Party, they failed miserably, and the sad fate of those constituents is a source of endless amusement to me. The Republican-controlled House and Senate is literally the perfect expression of your typical Trump supporter: impotent white guy, racist, angry.

Anyways, it isn't my problem that uneducated white guys from BFE elected Trump.
If they're offended at being uneducated racists, they can do something about that.



Not really, no. The message that was sent was "I am unaware that I am being sold a lemon, and a billionaire from Manhattan took me for every penny I had".

Equally hilarious to me, and I mean truly comedic, was the notion of sending an "outsider who'll break the system!" Yeah, man, an outsider whose cabinet will include other outsiders like Newt Gingrich, Rudy Giuliani, and Chris Christie. You know, real outsiders who certainly are not career politicians.

It isn't that I don't feel for their plight; it has more to do with the fact that they are so consistently responsible for making it worse. How on earth do you expect me-- the much hated liberal urban elitist-- to care? You can only help a junkie so many times before you have to give up on them.

I'll conclude with this: Thanks for voting for Trump. I didn't have to, and I still get to enjoy the extraordinarily privileged status the Republicans accord someone in my tax bracket. Thank you

Political correctness has morphed into a moral purity that may feel exhilarating but isn’t remotely tactical. It’s a handmaiden to smugness and sanctimony, undermining its own goals.

The Democrats Screwed Up

I could quote from any post-election mainstream pop article off MSN or the Washington Enquire and pretty much capture your essence in roughly the same way. People with your mentality are now a cliché. And people who brag about how successful they are have always sucked.

[NealIRC]

Originally Posted by coldwine

Who do you think you are, that your words should carry such weight?

How about not the person who said the words, but the words itself, if they carry weight?

Originally Posted by coldwine

Harsh? No one thinks you're being harsh with these milquetoast sentiments.

Right, not yet. There could always be someone else who will take offense. A lot of Internet communities I been to hate drama magnets - it doesn't matter what the issue is, only drama itself they hate.

Originally Posted by coldwine

That you chose to quote Wikipedia did make me feel guilty, because I wondered if you were someone of limited mental capacity.

And how about the facts itself, and not where it came from?

How does the fact that it came from Wikipedia make the argument any less valid?

Wikipedia itself is not a source, but a collection of sources.

Anyways, what I pasted was a poll, and I cited the source itself. Wikipedia said the source came from Gregory Mankiw, and it was a "survey" of what economists disagree, and the percentages.

I was trying to find examples where "economics is always wrong" as you say.

According to various polls cited in Principles of Economics by Harvard Chairman and Economics Professor Gregory Mankiw, economists have the following agreements by percentage.

[coldwine]

Originally Posted by BRU67

People with your mentality are now a cliché.

I'm glad you agree with me: warning people who vote Republican that things will only get worse for them is truly cliché at this point.

And people who brag about how successful they are have always sucked.

Another point on which we agree! Trump has always sucked.

[NealIRC]

If you hate Trump, you should be glad he is president. So he can do something really bad and be hated for that.

Right now I think there's only 1 thing I dislike about Trump and that's his immigration view.

Democrat candidates are so spineless when it comes to supporting the 2nd amendment and owning a gun at home. That's a law that is nice to enforce.

Trump has a lot of balls to talk smack about Muslims and Blacks, but no balls to say anything bad about the Jews. ; (

[skeddy]

Seattle must have passed a minimum wage law. I don't care, I don't live there, but was out there a couple weeks ago. Stopped at a pizza joint, they were selling half pizzas and whole pizza. Half a pizza was $23, whole pizza was $42. This was in a working class neighborhood.

[quigboto]

Originally Posted by skeddy

Seattle must have passed a minimum wage law. I don't care, I don't live there, but was out there a couple weeks ago. Stopped at a pizza joint, they were selling half pizzas and whole pizza. Half a pizza was $23, whole pizza was $42. This was in a working class neighborhood.

Cool story. Too bad a cursory Google search of Seattle pizza joints blows your hyperbole out of the water. And I'm talking a search of artisinal/fancy pants pizza joints. Unless you went to a restaurant that sold gold plated pizzas, your $23 half pizzas are either mythological, or an extreme anomaly that doubtlessly cannot be blamed on the raise in minimum wage.

[NealIRC]

Originally Posted by quigboto

Cool story. Too bad a cursory Google search of Seattle pizza joints blows your hyperbole out of the water. And I'm talking a search of artisinal/fancy pants pizza joints. Unless you went to a restaurant that sold gold plated pizzas, your $23 half pizzas are either mythological, or an extreme anomaly that doubtlessly cannot be blamed on the raise in minimum wage.

Haa. I sent him a p.m. that someone replied to his post and linked it straight to this page.

[ottomobeale]

Originally Posted by nana053

The economic consensus is that minimum wage and minimum wage increases do NOT cause more unemployment.

https://www.dol.gov/featured/minimum-wage/mythbuster

Eh. To what degree...? 13 dollars..? who knows. That does a typical big box store or fast food place in Cook County pay now?

A penny increase would likely have near zero effect. A 100 dollar increase would like have a 99.9% effect. People argue all the time about where it really does start cutting employment.

[ottomobeale]

Originally Posted by skeddy

Seattle must have passed a minimum wage law. I don't care, I don't live there, but was out there a couple weeks ago. Stopped at a pizza joint, they were selling half pizzas and whole pizza. Half a pizza was $23, whole pizza was $42. This was in a working class neighborhood.

I can find those places too in places with low minimum wages. I can get a pizza for 6 bucks in high cost NJ. I can get a pizza for near 30 bucks at a bistro place about to open.

BTW. Could ya send one of your Chicago style pizza places to NJ? Im sooo tired of NY thin.

[andrew61]

Originally Posted by ottomobeale

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