Gentrification speading from Core: South Side & West Side (Chicago: school, restaurant)

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by oddstray

I worked not far from Union Station in the 70's. It wasn't as pretty as downtown, but it wasn't at all a no-man's land. Unless it got much worse before it got better, I'm pretty sure you were given an exaggerated version of Wacker.

Memory of blight increases by approximately 2.5% for each year after someone leaves a City neighborhood. After 15 years it was a bombed out ghetto that makes West Garfield Park look like Mister Rogers' Neighborhood.

[MillennialUrbanist]

Originally Posted by BRU67

Memory of blight increases by approximately 2.5% for each year after someone leaves a City neighborhood. After 15 years it was a bombed out ghetto that makes West Garfield Park look like Mister Rogers' Neighborhood.

Too funny with the Mr. Rogers reference! Speaking of which, the city park and neighborhood depicted on Sesame Street looked solidly urban. Obviously, they were nothing like West Garfield Park, but they weren't an idyllic Thomas Kincaid town, either. Come to think of it, Sesame Street is the only live-action kids' show I remember being set in a truly urban area.

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by MillennialUrbanist

Too funny with the Mr. Rogers reference! Speaking of which, the city park and neighborhood depicted on Sesame Street looked solidly urban. Obviously, they were nothing like West Garfield Park, but they weren't an idyllic Thomas Kincaid town, either. Come to think of it, Sesame Street is the only live-action kids' show I remember being set in a truly urban area.

If Sesame Street was set in West Garfield Park there would be a puppet shooting statistic on heyjackass.com.

[OKParker]

Originally Posted by OyCrumbler

Yea, I think so, too.

Somewhat related, I'm still disappointed that the Obama Library is being built in Woodlawn which seems like it would have a pretty direct pathway to gentrifying without its presence (and for taking up existing parkland instead of creating new parkland).

Aside from the lakefront, the other reasonable pathway for gentrification is following the mass transit lines. I would have loved it if the library were being built on that sparse lots encompassed by Garfield, Calumet, E 54th Street, and MLK Drive (and closing off E 54th Place) across the street from Washington Park on one side and the Garfield Green Line on the other.

Agree that it shouldn't have been built there. Would have preferred something in Bronzeville.

[NealIRC]

As I've been finding out from a Chicago gangs forum lately, Blacks and Mexicans dispersing.

Blacks moving into South Deering and Little Village, Mexicans moving into Englewood and Sherman Park area.

[valpofan11]

Originally Posted by NealIRC

As I've been finding out from a Chicago gangs forum lately, Blacks and Mexicans dispersing.

Blacks moving into South Deering and Little Village, Mexicans moving into Englewood and Sherman Park area.

That ain't surprising because South Deering already is majority black, while bordering a Hispanic area. Little Village/South Lawndale is only separated from North Lawndale by those tracks, so not surprising again. Sherman Park is in New City which is already majority Hispanic, and not surprised to see them going into West Englewood from Chicago Lawn or Gage Park or even New City.

My hope is that gangs get smaller and smaller and the violent crime rate goes down to the point where places like the Douglas Park section of North Lawndale, western Woodlawn, East Garfield Park, and Back of the Yards/New City plus a lot of other areas can be redeveloped nicely.

[beaniemac]

Originally Posted by NealIRC

As I've been finding out from a Chicago gangs forum lately, Blacks and Mexicans dispersing.

Blacks moving into South Deering and Little Village, Mexicans moving into Englewood and Sherman Park area.

definitely noticing mexicans moving north from new city into englewood/west englewood.

[Slats Grobnick]

Originally Posted by valpofan11

That ain't surprising because South Deering already is majority black, while bordering a Hispanic area. Little Village/South Lawndale is only separated from North Lawndale by those tracks, so not surprising again. Sherman Park is in New City which is already majority Hispanic, and not surprised to see them going into West Englewood from Chicago Lawn or Gage Park or even New City.

My hope is that gangs get smaller and smaller and the violent crime rate goes down to the point where places like the Douglas Park section of North Lawndale, western Woodlawn, East Garfield Park, and Back of the Yards/New City plus a lot of other areas can be redeveloped nicely.

Hispanics are moving in the the southern edge of Douglas park/North Lawndale. On sundays it's all soccer games played mostly by Hispanics in the southern edge of Douglas park. Northern edge is pretty much empty. 15 years ago the furthest you saw Hispanics was Cermak, now they are up to Ogden. The alderman of western Englewood is Hispanic also.

I think Hispanics cant resist the cheap prices they see a few blocks east or north of them.

[Larry Siegel]

Originally Posted by beaniemac

definitely noticing mexicans moving north from new city into englewood/west englewood.

Englewood and West Englewood are south of New City.

[KoNgFooCj]

Originally Posted by OyCrumbler

The city seems to be doing that to some degree--the state not so much. It seems more like the state is sort of hobbling the city a bit.

As of now that has progressed even further. No one need worry that those areas won't see new residents and investment.