Is anyone here a Yuppie brave enough to come out of the closet? (Chicago: club, Whole Foods)

[Lookout Kid]

Originally Posted by coldwine

You'd be surprised at how few people there are who like spending hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt to gain the slim chance of working 22 hours a day for 6 years to make partner.

I would be surprised. I'm an architect. People in my profession work 22 hours a day for years, but rarely get paid well. We're the dumbest profession out there.

[Irishtom29]

Coldwine---Good post.

I've no truck with those unwilling to work but when those who are willing to work are unable you've a recipe for trouble.

The lazy deserve nothing and don't signify anyway as they lack the resolution and work ethic to cause real trouble.

I believe in loyalty to my fellow countrymen and my fellow workers too---it's the loyalty of unionists to each other that gives us the economic and social benefits we enjoy. Now maybe loyalty is of no use in your line of work but there are still endeavors where it's economically advantageous. And the fact that loyalty is considered a virtue in most societies may mean that there are economic advantages to it that we're currently too short sighted to appreciate. Loyalty is a long term tactic and we're too focused on the short term advantage. Loyalty might make a big comeback.

Actually we may think more alike than not. On some things.

[coldwine]

Originally Posted by Lookout Kid

I would be surprised. I'm an architect. People in my profession work 22 hours a day for years, but rarely get paid well. We're the dumbest profession out there.

You still have yet to explain yourselves for the Yale School of Art and Architecture or the Chicago Public Library.

I won't even mention Dubai.

[Lookout Kid]

Originally Posted by coldwine

You still have yet to explain yourselves for the Yale School of Art and Architecture or the Chicago Public Library.

I won't even mention Dubai.

The Chicago Public Library is pretty universally despised by architects.

The Yale School of Art and Architecture is wonderful composition of forms on the exterior, but this doesn't translate into functional interior spaces. And a non-architect will never appreciate a good cast-in-place concrete job like an architect will.

Don't mention Dubai. I've spent about three years of my career on wild Dubai projects, but the place scares the crap out of me. It's the freakiest form of urbanism on the planet. And the bust there has guaranteed that the ranks of unemployed architects will be full for years to come.

[coldwine]

Originally Posted by Irishtom29

Coldwine---Good post.

I've no truck with those unwilling to work but when those who are willing to work are unable you've a recipe for trouble.

The lazy deserve nothing and don't signify anyway as they lack the resolution and work ethic to cause real trouble.

I believe in loyalty to my fellow countrymen and my fellow workers too---it's the loyalty of unionists to each other that gives us the economic and social benefits we enjoy. Now maybe loyalty is of no use in your line of work but there are still endeavors where it's economically advantageous. And the fact that loyalty is considered a virtue in most societies may mean that there are economic advantages to it that we're currently too short sighted to appreciate. Loyalty is a long term tactic and we're too focused on the short term advantage. Loyalty might make a big comeback.

Actually we may think more alike than not. On some things.

I'm a lawyer. It's my job to plan for all events in which my clients might suffer because of a lack of loyalty.

I myself am dangerously close to losing any and all loyalty in mankind, especially after living in Brazil.

I understand what you're saying. I also understand that I'm analyzing this from a very logical viewpoint, whereas the chronically unemployed and uneducated probably aren't too concerned with much beyond wanting to survive. The stark lines of wealth in this country have drawn much hostility between us.

I don't believe loyalty will ever make a comeback. The next generation of kids entering the job market have grown up being shown time and again that loyalty does not pay. That they will lose their jobs in the blink of an eye when a less expensive alternative pops up.

But to be completely honest, I don't think it's a bad thing. I didn't go to college and accrue debt so that I might one day earn a shareholder who provides not a single ****ing thing to my corporation with a profitable return. The entire concept of a shareholder pisses me off, especially as an accountant-- I have a very keen sense of exactly where value and revenue generation lie (what a place for a verb to be a noun!)

I know that one day, whether it's tomorrow (and it could very likely be) or ten years from now, I'm going to lose my job. And that'll be it, it'll be over. I won't ever be able to work in this industry again when it happens. I could probably find a position as legal counsel for a corporation, but they've cut down so much on their legal help that the pickins are slim.

To that end, I've saved and scrimped and invested. Hopefully, when the time comes, I won't have to work anymore. Wealth is a false sense of security. If you don't know that, you're a yuppie. If you want to buy into the lie, you're not.

[Irishtom29]

So Lookout, what do you think of the Carbon and Carbide Building, the Mather Tower and the Pure Oil Building? I like all of them.

And I think the Board of Trade is so cool. I worked down there for EF Hutton in the "yuppie" phase of my life.

[coldwine]

Originally Posted by Lookout Kid

The Chicago Public Library is pretty universally despised by architects.

The Yale School of Art and Architecture is wonderful composition of forms on the exterior, but this doesn't translate into functional interior spaces. And a non-architect will never appreciate a good cast-in-place concrete job like an architect will.

Don't mention Dubai. I've spent about three years of my career on wild Dubai projects, but the place scares the crap out of me. It's the freakiest form of urbanism on the planet. And the bust there has guaranteed that the ranks of unemployed architects will be full for years to come.

Bad architect.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by coldwine

I'm a lawyer. It's my job to plan for all events in which my clients might suffer because of a lack of loyalty...

...The entire concept of a shareholder pisses me off, especially as an accountant-- I have a very keen sense of exactly where value and revenue generation lie (what a place for a verb to be a noun!)...

You are an Accountant and a Lawyer?

[coldwine]

Originally Posted by Avengerfire

You are an Accountant and a Lawyer?

I'm a JD CPA, yes.

[Avengerfire]

Thanks for having a part in ****ing up this country.

There is a reason you do not live in the U.S.A. anymore.

You might get lucky and avoid the pitchforks. Then again maybe you will not.