Utterly amazing what's going on in a town literally everybody is abandoning (Chicago: how much, lawyers)

[NOLA101]

Originally Posted by Berteau

I'm always amused when some random poster on here always seems to know more than all these developers with millions who does it for a living. I guess you better tell them before they spend their billions. You could be a consultant!

A. The Census bureau keeps data on population change, not construction foreman. Not sure why you think people involved in construction would be demographic sages.

B. Chicago has relatively low levels of construction relative to other U.S. metros. It's the third largest metro but something like 13th or 14th in terms of urban multifamily activity. So I would say that local construction trends support the Census demographic reality.

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by jonnynonos

I genuinely don't understand your (implied) point. Why would anyone care if someone left Logan Square.

Do you not understand the difference between a family fleeing Lawndale and a hipster leaving Logan Square?

The first, normal people would empathize with. The second, I can't imagine why anyone anywhere would care.

I didn't stay hipster, I said family. We don't have a problem attracting hipsters.

Anyway, you don't think it's a problem that the Emerald City is losing affluent white families and their tax dollars to the suburbs once their kids hit school age? What is your ideal vision for the city? A constantly rotating supply of recent college graduates and two giant urban farms on the south and west sides growing organic produce?

[emathias]

Originally Posted by NOLA101

It's kind of incredible that people keep parroting the fakenews that the people leaving Chicago are poor, and so the population loss is good, when the Census clearly indicates that Chicago is losing the middle class and keeping the poor.

Poverty in Chicago is actually slightly higher than 20 year ago.

But I suspect a lot of people don't care, they A. Want to keep the fakenews going and B. Don't really mind if black people are leaving, regardless of socioeconomics. Chicago is actually losing whites too and basically stagnant in terms of Hispanics and Asians (which is absurd, given that these are the growth categories in the U.S.) but this is never mentioned.

The poverty rate, even nationally, is very volatile. It basically tracks recessions.

Originally Posted by 3goodmonths

This thread is proof that only rich white people are posting on this site. There are no arguments from minorities in this thread.

Some of the posters are not rich white people, which you'd know if you'd been on here longer.

[BRU67]

The dems of the posters here are pretty high though (using the word "high" in terms of average income relative to the non- rich parts of the City.

[chicagobear]

Originally Posted by BRU67

I didn't stay hipster, I said family. We don't have a problem attracting hipsters.

Anyway, you don't think it's a problem that the Emerald City is losing affluent white families and their tax dollars to the suburbs once their kids hit school age? What is your ideal vision for the city? A constantly rotating supply of recent college graduates and two giant urban farms on the south and west sides growing organic produce?

Actually I think that a lot more affluent white families are staying in the city than twenty years ago.

[Chicago South Sider]

Originally Posted by BRU67

The dems of the posters here are pretty high though (using the word "high" in terms of average income relative to the non- rich parts of the City.

Interesting, what's the average poster making on this forum? Sounds like you've done a lot of research.

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by Chicago South Sider

Interesting, what's the average poster making on this forum? Sounds like you've done a lot of research.

One and a half times the area median? You just really need to read many of the comments to know that some people are pretty out of touch with the average person on here.

[Chicago South Sider]

Originally Posted by BRU67

One and a half times the area median? You just really need to read many of the comments to know that some people are pretty out of touch with the average person on here.

So, around $90k per household or $80k per individual. That's not a whole lot of money in the scheme of things.

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by Chicago South Sider

So, around $90k per household or $80k per individual. That's not a whole lot of money in the scheme of things.

That sounds about right. Maybe it's not that much but it's apparently enough to keep an invisible wall that goes from Howard to 35th Street and Western (or Kimball up north) to the Lake though!

[andrew61]

Originally Posted by BRU67

One and a half times the area median? You just really need to read many of the comments to know that some people are pretty out of touch with the average person on here.

I've often felt that this is true. IMO this forum could benefit from having more ordinary working people participating.