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Old 03-25-2008, 05:06 PM
 
Location: South Side
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If the market was left to its own devices, these people could just go live in a slum somewhere or not live here at all.
Sure! The heck with them! That's the compassionate conservative solution.

Well, it turns out poor folks don't really move. They just go into substandard housing like cut up townhouses and 'roomettes'. Do you favor creating a slum or a low income ghetto? How would we keep the problems there, with a moat or something?

What happens when the slum burns or tuberculosis happens? That moat would have to be wide and deep. How would the poor folks get across to work at the hotel and retail jobs? We douldn't subsidize transportation in this view. I know! They'd be required to buy waders!

 
Old 03-25-2008, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Humboldt Park, Chicago
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Default great post lakeshoresoxgo

Agreed. Any 100 econ course will show supply demand graph regarding unemployment and minimum wage.

I still say limited the poor's numbers will lead to less poverty. Call it communism if you like but I am sick and tired of paying for people who are having kids and then expecting the taxpayer to pay for it. To be fair, I am also sick of paying corporate welfare and farm subsidies (my dad is a cattle farmer so he is not seeing as much benefit as some).
 
Old 03-25-2008, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Wow, we're pretty far afield from "What are your thoughts on mixed income communities..."
 
Old 03-25-2008, 06:08 PM
 
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Mixed income communities? I say "Ewww! Poor people!"

Then I shriek and jump onto my chair.

If you ask me (and you didn't, I know...) this tread should be moved to politics or closed outright. It's gotten way off track. Plus the sense of entitlement is starting to give me a sinus headache.
 
Old 03-26-2008, 07:13 AM
 
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If you ask me (and you didn't, I know...) this tread should be moved to politics or closed outright. It's gotten way off track. Plus the sense of entitlement is starting to give me a sinus headache.
If you don't like the topic or the direction it's going, quit reading and go to another topic. Pretty simple. I enjoy reading the different opinions.
 
Old 03-26-2008, 08:09 AM
 
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Because these development economics always work right? Do you know why in order to get a large project going, a certian amount of units have to be set aside for below market value? Because the city is tearing down all these stupid government funded things that caused all problems in the first place and these people need to relocate some place. If the market was left to its own devices, these people could just go live in a slum somewhere or not live here at all.
Actually, that's what's happening. The whole concept of "mixed income" in these new developments is just window dressing. It impacts a very small percentage of the displaced poor and those who get in are hand picked (credit checks, criminal background checks, etc.) and very quickly dealt with if they act out. The vast majority of those displaced are, in fact, relocating into slums -- or they're turning the areas where they are relocating into slums. Better get that moat ready, heh. Stay tuned...
 
Old 03-26-2008, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Humboldt Park, Chicago
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I still say fewer poor thru population control is the solution though I doubt this will happen as we are too compassionate.

And people still prefer the poor out of sight and out of mind. Few want a family displaced from the projects to move in next to them. Look at what it is doing to less affluent suburbs such as hanover park, streamwood, addison, northlake, and melrose park, bellwood, beverly, carpentersville.

Fewer poor people leads to fewer problems, though few will admit this even to themselves. Poverty and lack of education is the real enemy and until we contain this problem it will continue to afflict society as a whole.

So not popular yes, but I see population control as the only way to reduce the problem of poverty.

And I believe planned parenthood is the liberal way to reduce the poor population as most of the abortions and done for less affluent people who are often not ready or not able to take care of a baby.

Your responses should be interesting.
 
Old 03-26-2008, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Volker, Kansas City, MO
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And sorry guys we're done...

(ooh my first closed thread- I feel so proud!)
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