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Old 10-25-2018, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Chicago, Little Village
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Living in Little Village/Pilsen also means being able to easily bike and bus to many parts of the city and generally a cheaper Uber/Lyft ride. There are a lot of situations where Berwyn is definitely the better option, but this doesn't seem like one of them.

I do think Pilsen should be considered though, and not just Little Village.
True that. There's a huge convenience factor to everything in the city from living in a city neighborhood like Little Village or Pilsen. I can walk to the pink line and be in the West Loop in 10 minutes. Then I can take the L home (or an Uber) whenever.

Berwyn was great but getting into the city and back again was bit of a chore during non-work hours, especially later at night.

You'd have to drive, or plan your whole evening around the Metra schedule. The last Metra is 12:45 pm - meaning that if I were up north, my night was going to be over around 11:15 so I'd have adequate time to get back to the Loop and to the train station. I cannot adequately describe the searing, heart wrenching pain and hopelessness you feel when you just miss a Metra during non rush hour.

I don't think that would be very appealing to a single person. If you are a couple or young family that doesn't go into the city very often, which is what Berwyn appeals to, then it is fine. But as you said, it doesn't sound like the OP fits into those categories.
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Old 10-25-2018, 04:52 PM
 
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things ive experienced in little village in the past couple years:

-a chicago cop shot on my block
-a driveby, which also hit an innocent person sleeping inside their house
-random gunshots at random times. there WILL be a shooting at some point in close proximity to where you live. you need to decide if you are comfortable with this or not.
-gangbangers riding motorbikes on sidewalks and trying to run over/intimidate pedestrians
-last friday i had the thrill of watching a street fight involving tire irons and golf clubs, like some old school **** out of The Warriors
-gang grafitti sprayed on 100 year old tree trunks
-coked up kids jumping on car hoods
-fights with johns and escorts that spill into the street over money

is it like this every day, every hour? no. sometimes it can be eerily quiet, to the degree that you can forget that its a dense urban neighborhood. other days you wake up to the sound of roosters, the sound of kids playing in fire hydrants, and mexican ballads wafting over from a couple doors down. most of the people living there are simply blue or lower class families trying to make it day to day. keep in mind a large degree of the population still speaks spanish as a first language, and most restaurants use spanish as the default.

but will you see **** go down if you move there? absolutely. its the stronghold of the Latin Kings and Two-Six, and they dont like each other very much. the mission is more comparable to somewhere like Uptown, which was historically a sort of small run down pocket of an area surrounded by prosperity and highly gentrified areas. little village is huge in itself, and largely still surrounded by even WORSE areas (i.e. North Lawndale), and does not have access to amenities you may have come to expect. if you are coming to Chicago with a SF mindset, i think it will be a rude wakeup call, esp if you havent walked around late on a hot summer evening and experienced it for yourself. esp coming without a car and considering how spread out things are, id definitely visit at all times of day to decide whether if falls within your comfort level or not.
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Old 10-25-2018, 05:48 PM
 
Location: NW Seattle
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Rational arguments like that do not work. A hipster will act like you just threw hydrochloric acid in his face if you mention a 708 area code or suburb.

The part of Berwyn around Cermak is convenient to the pink line with one bus ride, and you can walk to the blue line for some parts in North Berwyn. But that's a really hard sell for somebody who wants to live in the city. Ask me how I know, LOL!

Berwyn tries though. They have the ad campaign "nothing like a suburb." For the longest time, I read it as "there's nothing like a suburb," which I thought was rather peculiar. I later realized they mean "it's nothing like a suburb." I see what they're going for but it's tough.
To be fair, if you're in your twenties and don't want to spend a ton of time at home, taking a bus to the L is less than ideal. But if the OP's willing to bike, you can take a bike on the train.
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Old 10-25-2018, 06:36 PM
 
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No offense guys, but this is silly. There is no reason to live in Berwyn unless you like long commutes or have a family. As for OP's purposes and what he/she are looking for, neither seems relevant. If you live in Berwyn, you really won't get the Chicago experience, especially in colder months. Not on a daily basis.
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Old 10-25-2018, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Chicago, Little Village
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No offense guys, but this is silly. There is no reason to live in Berwyn unless you like long commutes or have a family. As for OP's purposes and what he/she are looking for, neither seems relevant. If you live in Berwyn, you really won't get the Chicago experience, especially in colder months. Not on a daily basis.
Berwyn is a draw for young Latino families for its safe schools and for dinks who live in apartments in a hip city neighborhood and are looking for their first house, and think it's sorta urban but cute (until their kids reach school age). As you said, I don't think the original poster falls in either one of these categories so I think some sort of city neighborhood is the best choice here.

Via Chicago brings up some good points about Little Village. However, for the long-term, I don't think any of that matters. It's an affordable and somewhat safe City neighborhood so it's going to change for the better.

On this note I would definitely recommend getting a place within a half a mile of the pink line. It's pretty easy to get to other City amenities through the pink line. You can be in the West Loop in minutes, and live a craft beer lifestyle on an adjunct lager budget.
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Old 10-25-2018, 10:19 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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things ive experienced in little village in the past couple years:

-a chicago cop shot on my block
-a driveby, which also hit an innocent person sleeping inside their house
-random gunshots at random times. there WILL be a shooting at some point in close proximity to where you live. you need to decide if you are comfortable with this or not.
-gangbangers riding motorbikes on sidewalks and trying to run over/intimidate pedestrians
-last friday i had the thrill of watching a street fight involving tire irons and golf clubs, like some old school **** out of The Warriors
-gang grafitti sprayed on 100 year old tree trunks
-coked up kids jumping on car hoods
-fights with johns and escorts that spill into the street over money

is it like this every day, every hour? no. sometimes it can be eerily quiet, to the degree that you can forget that its a dense urban neighborhood. other days you wake up to the sound of roosters, the sound of kids playing in fire hydrants, and mexican ballads wafting over from a couple doors down. most of the people living there are simply blue or lower class families trying to make it day to day. keep in mind a large degree of the population still speaks spanish as a first language, and most restaurants use spanish as the default.

but will you see **** go down if you move there? absolutely. its the stronghold of the Latin Kings and Two-Six, and they dont like each other very much. the mission is more comparable to somewhere like Uptown, which was historically a sort of small run down pocket of an area surrounded by prosperity and highly gentrified areas. little village is huge in itself, and largely still surrounded by even WORSE areas (i.e. North Lawndale), and does not have access to amenities you may have come to expect. if you are coming to Chicago with a SF mindset, i think it will be a rude wakeup call, esp if you havent walked around late on a hot summer evening and experienced it for yourself. esp coming without a car and considering how spread out things are, id definitely visit at all times of day to decide whether if falls within your comfort level or not.
I am not super familiar with Little Village, I have only walked through the neighborhood once before.

But I do not agree with the comparison of the Mission with Uptown. The Mission was a serious ghetto up to the mid 90's. And even today, there are still a lot of lower income families in the lower Mission and there are still shootings to this day. However, I don't know if there are any large gangs left in the neighborhood.

I am sure it is very rough in Little Village, I will need to see for myself when I visit that part of the city at the end of this week.

Regarding violent crime, I am sure s**t happens there...but, I figure you just take all precautions you can (e.g. not staying out super late in your neighborhood, don't walk with headphones in, pay attention to who is around you, don't walk alone at night, keep to yourself, etc).

I should also add that I have been a victim of violent crime here in San Francisco. I was physically assaulted by hoodlums (unprovoked) and it was in an EXTREMELY gentrified part of SF (Duboce Park). :/ Unfortunately, bad stuff can happen anywhere.
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Old 10-26-2018, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Chicago, Little Village
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I am not super familiar with Little Village, I have only walked through the neighborhood once before.

But I do not agree with the comparison of the Mission with Uptown. The Mission was a serious ghetto up to the mid 90's. And even today, there are still a lot of lower income families in the lower Mission and there are still shootings to this day. However, I don't know if there are any large gangs left in the neighborhood.

I am sure it is very rough in Little Village, I will need to see for myself when I visit that part of the city at the end of this week.

Regarding violent crime, I am sure s**t happens there...but, I figure you just take all precautions you can (e.g. not staying out super late in your neighborhood, don't walk with headphones in, pay attention to who is around you, don't walk alone at night, keep to yourself, etc).

I should also add that I have been a victim of violent crime here in San Francisco. I was physically assaulted by hoodlums (unprovoked) and it was in an EXTREMELY gentrified part of SF (Duboce Park). :/ Unfortunately, bad stuff can happen anywhere.
Report back as to what you think. I'm curious to hear it. Definitely check out 26th Street and Marshall Boulevard which is pretty attractive.
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Old 10-26-2018, 08:12 AM
 
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I am not super familiar with Little Village, I have only walked through the neighborhood once before.

But I do not agree with the comparison of the Mission with Uptown. The Mission was a serious ghetto up to the mid 90's. And even today, there are still a lot of lower income families in the lower Mission and there are still shootings to this day. However, I don't know if there are any large gangs left in the neighborhood.

I am sure it is very rough in Little Village, I will need to see for myself when I visit that part of the city at the end of this week.

Regarding violent crime, I am sure s**t happens there...but, I figure you just take all precautions you can (e.g. not staying out super late in your neighborhood, don't walk with headphones in, pay attention to who is around you, don't walk alone at night, keep to yourself, etc).

I should also add that I have been a victim of violent crime here in San Francisco. I was physically assaulted by hoodlums (unprovoked) and it was in an EXTREMELY gentrified part of SF (Duboce Park). :/ Unfortunately, bad stuff can happen anywhere.
I’m not sure about these days, but there was serious violent crime in Uptown even 5-10 years ago. I don’t know if it would qualify as a “serious ghetto” but there were some s**t parts. I heard someone get shot there years ago.

I’m not familiar enough with Little Village to opine much, but the poster above you is likely painting an accurate picture. If you hang out in tough Chicago neighborhoods, you will be exposed to such things. The actual homicide rate for Little Village isn’t that bad, but stats don’t often tell the whole story.

I’ve probably spent a total of like less than 24 hours in the Brighton Park/McKinley Park area, just walking around, but on one of the 25-ish times I have walked through there, I saw some sort of gang rumble/chase/attack. It was pretty crazy, like out of a movie.

Your chances of being a victim of violent crime are never, statistically, very likely, even in the worst neighborhoods. The reason people tend to avoid them is because on the off chance things do go south, it happens quickly and in many cases irrevocably.

Yes things can “happen anywhere;” they are just far more likely to happen in some places.

TLDR, I doubt a gang would have much interest in you but, on the other hand, if they accidentally ran you over while chasing each other or something, they probably wouldn’t care about that, either.
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Old 10-26-2018, 09:30 AM
 
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Yep Marshall Blvd is pretty cool. Those homes have a really nice front yard...

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Report back as to what you think. I'm curious to hear it. Definitely check out 26th Street and Marshall Boulevard which is pretty attractive.
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Old 10-26-2018, 09:33 AM
 
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McKinley Park isn't a bad place for an investor, especially with the Asian migration heading southwest on Archer. I don't know much about Brighton Park save for it having a decent-sized commercial district and that mass shooting involving Satan's Disciples and Latin Kings.
Uptown is a whole other story. Quite a bit more complicated. The rough pockets are probably Lawrence/Sheridan and by the Wilson red line at night. I'd say Broadway in between Wilson and Lawrence is a soft DMZ, and that eastern area is okay during the day (look at those rents at Lawrence House or the new building on Wilson/Sheridan for goodness sake). Still too many terrorists running amuck unfortunately. And of course there's a ton of mentally ill/homeless/junkies.
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