Would you vote to have Chicago secede? (Washington, Union: college, taxes)

[edsg25]

Originally Posted by bobsell

If Chicago were to secede, Wisconsin would not want it, and neither would Indiana. It would have to go its own way and make a 51st state.

But none of the above is going to happen. The Machine will stuff that ballot box until we're back to Chicago, IL. Vote early and often.

I guess we could just give it to Iraq and they could rename it New Mosul, although I get the distinct feeling you don’t think they’d accept it either.

So how about we throw away the green dye and paint the River Styx red for St. Lucifer Day. I’m sure that the Kingdom of Hell would gladly take our Full-of-Wind s***hole of a city and make.....what?.....what did you say?..Hell doesn’t want Chicago either, suggests it goes down another five of Dante’s levels to where it belongs. .....really?......we’re that bad???

And just out of curiosity, if IL offered IN Chicago in exchange for East Chicahgo, would them hoosiers take the deal????

[frimpter928]

Originally Posted by edsg25

I guess we could just give it to Iraq and they could rename it New Mosul, although I get the distinct feeling you don’t think they’d accept it either.

So how about we throw away the green dye and paint the River Styx red for St. Lucifer Day. I’m sure that the Kingdom of Hell would gladly take our Full-of-Wind s***hole of a city and make.....what?.....what did you say?..Hell doesn’t want Chicago either, suggests it goes down another five of Dante’s levels to where it belongs. .....really?......we’re that bad???

And just out of curiosity, if IL offered IN Chicago in exchange for East Chicahgo, would them hoosiers take the deal????

I say we also convert all of our churches in the city to temples that worship satanism.

[jfre81]

Originally Posted by frimpter928

I say we also convert all of our churches in the city to temples that worship satanism.

While we're at it, let's just trade the Bears to Wisconsin for the Packers.

[edsg25]

Originally Posted by frimpter928

I say we also convert all of our churches in the city to temples that worship satanism.

Er.... I believe they already did that in Wicker Park, Old Town, Streeterville and Hyde Park back in 2006

[edsg25]

Originally Posted by jfre81

While we're at it, let's just trade the Bears to Wisconsin for the Packers.

Only if we can also swap the Illini for the Badgers. And they let us have Chief Buckybadger as well.

[edsg25]

Originally Posted by MSchemist80

I'd take a guy that says obnoxious and dumb things on Twitter and elsewhere over a bunch of crooks that use govt to enrich themselves and cronies and taxes families out of their homes to do it.

Then again plenty of off the deep end obnoxious Dems saying dumb things. We get Comrade Sanders and Cortez, We have Omar the antisemite (at least the Repubs didn't elect the Neonazi but leftist muslim antisemites get thumbs up), Chief Fauxahontas Warren pushing slavery reparations and student loan forgiveness, Beto O'Rourke who eats regenerative dirt... The Democratic party is a circus.

Please tell this Jewish guy who.....like lot and lots of Jewish guys (and gals)...thinks Ilhan Omar is terrific, one thing..just one...that shows she has even a drop of antisemitism in her. Her criticism is of Israel, of AIPAC, and the hold both have on our government. Most US Jews have no use for AIPAC, no use for Netanyhu and an aversian to the xenophobic, anti-palestinian state of Israel.

Bernie is a commie? Seriously, man??? In any “advanced” (as opposed to US) nation, he would be considered a moderate..and totally main stream...from Britain, Franc, Germany, Italy, Sweden, Canada, Australia, etc..

Bernie is a social democrat..not a thing “communistic” about him. He supports a system that mixes both capitalism..which btw is the form of economy the US has...and always had.


and MS, you should realize that communism is a failed system, one no one wants, you know, like late stage predatory capitalism which is eating itself and our very planet it is destroying. You must be very rich and very powerful because the interests of capitalism, the interests of the GOP lie with the 100%.

So, MS, if you believe in public education, you are a socialist, just like Bernie. Higher education, such as public universities. Check. And some 50 years ago it was free. UC, the greatest public system in the nation charged no tuition.

Libraries? Roads, tunnels and bridges? Libraries? Parks? Postal service? Social Security? Medicare? All socialism and on and on and on. How about building automobiles, restaurants, gas stations, cable service, mcinema complexes? None socialist all based on the market economy. Which Bernie supports. Which we progressives support.

What we don’t support is the carttonish world view of many conservatives, most of the GOP. You know, the folks who divide the world between we:good, them:bad. So you guys may think GOP good, “Democrat” party bad, we are a bit more unnuanced. We see GOP bad (actually in its present carnation, very bad, bordering on criminal bad, but how do we see the Dem’s: definitely the lesser of two evils, a centrist party controlled by the monied interests just like the GOP. NEWSFLASH: If the Dems had gone with Bernie rather than Hilary, he probably would be president now. Why don’t the Dems win? Because when the voters are given a choice between GOP and GOP Lite, they’ll go with GOP every time.

This country is in for a tsunami of change, twenty or so years away from white (nonhispanics) falling to minority status, income inequality that threatens collapse, environmental disaster that goes well past the very climate change nonexistent on this website. And we are so f’ing divided and tribalized we better all tighten our seat belts to total constriction, we are in for a bumpy, bumpy ride

[BRU67]

Yeah man, he's a Socialist, and there's a lot of things communistic about him, for reals...

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...maduro-1179636

https://www.wsj.com/articles/bernie-...la-11553109182

https://observer.com/2019/02/bernie-...maduro-debate/

https://www.theepochtimes.com/videos...m_2813516.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...6d5_story.html

Just to get you started. There's more, a lot more, out there. Think before voting people. Unless you want to see what the "strengths" of the Soviet Union look like when they are implemented in the United States.

[edsg25]

Originally Posted by BRU67

Yeah man, he's a Socialist, and there's a lot of things communistic about him, for reals...

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...maduro-1179636

https://www.wsj.com/articles/bernie-...la-11553109182

https://observer.com/2019/02/bernie-...maduro-debate/

https://www.theepochtimes.com/videos...m_2813516.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...6d5_story.html

Just to get you started. There's more, a lot more, out there. Think before voting people. Unless you want to see what the "strengths" of the Soviet Union look like when they are implemented in the United States.

We shouldn't have to wait long since Trump and his buddy Putin are working damned hard together to make it all happen. Soon you'll have your worst nightmare (and mine) come true when the USA morphs into the GOPUSSR.

[edsg25]

Originally Posted by BRU67

Yeah man, he's a Socialist, and there's a lot of things communistic about him, for reals...

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...maduro-1179636

https://www.wsj.com/articles/bernie-...la-11553109182

https://observer.com/2019/02/bernie-...maduro-debate/

https://www.theepochtimes.com/videos...m_2813516.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...6d5_story.html

Just to get you started. There's more, a lot more, out there. Think before voting people. Unless you want to see what the "strengths" of the Soviet Union look like when they are implemented in the United States.

Since being a communist centers around the idea of the state being in control of the means of production, state ownership as it were.....where exactly does it say in any of the articles you share (and, yes, I did look through them) that Sanders is in favor of state of ownership of business? When has he anywhere came out with such ideas? If he did, I would love to see a quote.

Communism is not a political system (just like capitalism is not); it is an economic system. And it has never been successfully tried anywhere in the world (certainly not the Soviet Union).

If ever there were to be a communist nation that works (and I doubt there will be), you can't infer whether it is a nation that gives rights to the people or not Chances are communism is probably just a step up from the bottom which is libertarianism which is a complete impossibility in the sense of functioning. So in many respects communism is like capitalism, particularly late stage capitalism, which have little chance of succeeding (and capitalism proves that insofar as it only works for the wealthy and today's version is more akin to fascism where the business community and the state are hand in hand in control. You don't seem to like socialism, Bru, but you live in a nation that gives socialism to those of wealth and capitalism for the rest of us working stiffs.

And seriously, man....I should believe what the WSJ has to say? I don't give a rat's ass what Bernie's policy is on Venuzeuela. If you want to show me that Bernie is a communist, give me a quote.....any quote....anything he has ever said that indicates that he wishes for state ownership of the means of production.

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by edsg25

Since being a communist centers around the idea of the state being in control of the means of production, state ownership as it were.....where exactly does it say in any of the articles you share (and, yes, I did look through them) that Sanders is in favor of state of ownership of business? When has he anywhere came out with such ideas? If he did, I would love to see a quote.

Communism is not a political system (just like capitalism is not); it is an economic system. And it has never been successfully tried anywhere in the world (certainly not the Soviet Union).

If ever there were to be a communist nation that works (and I doubt there will be), you can't infer whether it is a nation that gives rights to the people or not Chances are communism is probably just a step up from the bottom which is libertarianism which is a complete impossibility in the sense of functioning. So in many respects communism is like capitalism, particularly late stage capitalism, which have little chance of succeeding (and capitalism proves that insofar as it only works for the wealthy and today's version is more akin to fascism where the business community and the state are hand in hand in control. You don't seem to like socialism, Bru, but you live in a nation that gives socialism to those of wealth and capitalism for the rest of us working stiffs.

And seriously, man....I should believe what the WSJ has to say? I don't give a rat's ass what Bernie's policy is on Venuzeuela. If you want to show me that Bernie is a communist, give me a quote.....any quote....anything he has ever said that indicates that he wishes for state ownership of the means of production.

It always leads to that.