Midwestern Cities (Chicago, Kansas, Pittsburg: population, place, top)

[GWiv]

I don't think Penn State is midwestern and it doesn't belong in the Big 10.

Most Penn State grads look East for jobs, and they don't end up in Chicago.

[thePR]

Originally Posted by GWiv

I don't think Penn State is midwestern and it doesn't belong in the Big 10.

Most Penn State grads look East for jobs, and they don't end up in Chicago.

My Sociology teacher went to Penn State.

[STLCardsBlues1989]

I say Detroit, Cleveland, and Chicago. I'm not sure about Omaha. It seems more plains to me.

[thePR]

Originally Posted by STLCardsBlues1989

I say Detroit, Cleveland, and Chicago. I'm not sure about Omaha. It seems more plains to me.

I think of it like this, The Midwest consists of the states:

South Dakota, North Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri, Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, Indiana and Ohio.

Then there are two sub-regions, the Great Plains and Great Lakes

The Great Plains consists of: South Dakota, North Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Minnesota, Iowa and Missouri.

The Great Lakes consists of: Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, Indiana and Ohio.

Like the West has the Pacific Northwest and Southwest.

[beadster]

In my mind there are 2 different debates going on here at once. One is a geographical debate, of what states are actually in the "midwest" and as far as that goes, "thePR" Posted nicely what that consisted of.


The other debate is more of cultural a standpoint of the midwest, and correct me if I'm wrong most people are focused on that aspect.

There is a huge difference in comparing chicago, detroit, and cleveland to Say Omaha, Pittsburgh, and Buffalo, because of the midwest culuture

[ajf131]

Originally Posted by beadster

I would agree with the above Post: Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, and Ohio are the traditional so called Midwestern States. Also Consider Minnesota a midwestern State. There is a culture unlike the west coast and east coast, and the south, in the midwest. I would consider St Louis to be a mid western city. The culture there is not southern and, gets most of its influence from the true midwest

You're right, but if you think Missouri and Iowa can't be part of the Midwest, you are discounting the most productive states in terms of farms. I have family in Ohio and I can tell you that Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, and Ohio are all part of the Midwest. It's ridiculous trying to say that because there is variety in the grouping you can't argue for them being in different regions. The Upper South and Deep South have noticeable differences, but nobody seems to think this is a problem. I can tell you that while all the above mentioned states have some differences, they all are more alike than different. All of these states are part of the farm belt. The Northwest Territory doesn't mean jack...that would mean discounting Iowa as Midwestern...both Iowa and Missouri have been called the Midwest for over 120 years. Keep the definition the way it is. Illinois is nearly as close to Arkansas as Missouri...Missouri, Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio all border Southern states as does Kansas...so they have some Southern influences, but nothing more than that.

[ajf131]

Buffalo and Pittsburgh are not part of the Midwest. They are Northeastern cities. They may have a lot in common with Cleveland, but they are too far east to be Midwestern. Pittsburgh doesn't feel Midwestern in any way, shape, or form. The rest of the cities...Omaha, Chicago, Cleveland, and Detroit..I think qualify as Midwestern.

[Milwaukee City]

[Avengerfire]

Since the U.S. Census Bureau considers the states in the above map to be the Midwest states then I suppose they indeed are. I still disagree with their list however.

[chicagocubs]

Yeah, I would never have considered Detroit or Cleveland "midwestern"