Midwestern Cities (Chicago, Lincoln, Madison: loft, homes, agricultural)

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by stlsmoore

haha Missouri isn't southern by any means unless you are on the very south end of it. Heck even the south end of Illinois is pretty southern considering. STL and KC cities are very mid-western.

Part of the measuring how "southern" an area or city is for me is if I hear a measurable amount of a southern accent in a person's voice.

Everyone I have ever met from Missouri has it to some degree. Heck of course many people have it in Southern Illinois too. I never said they did not.

Everyone that I have met from from St. Louis has it.

Sorry, I do not think Missouri is very Midwest at all and my reasons are not just due to accent.

Missouri was a border state. That should explain enough to anyone that does not know history. Go look it up.

[CHICAGO2LA]

Chicago, Cleveland and Detroit. I do not consider any of the others Midwest cities.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by blueatari

...St. Louis is closer to Chicago than it is to KC...

Louisville, Kentucky is about the same distance to Chicago that St. Louis is to Chicago. Does that make Louisville a Midwestern city?



The distance from St. Louis to Kansas City is about 252 miles.

The distance from St. Louis to Chicago is about 292 miles.

[ladihawkae]

anything in the central time zone would be considered the midwest.
detroit is on eastern standard time.
Omaha is on central time in eastern nebraska so that's midwest.
el paso texas is mountain state, since it's on mountain time...it just depends on what time zone you're in.
all of pennsylvania and ohio are on eastern so I wouldn't consider any of those cities to be midwest cities.
indiana would be the only exception.. i think they are midwest, though they don't follow daylight savings..lol..are they midwest city part time?

[STLCardsBlues1989]

Originally Posted by Avengerfire

Missouri? No way. Very southern.

Missouri is southern? I didn't know that.

Maybe the bootheel and Branson have a southern feel. The rest of the state us fully Midwestern.

Missouri government in the Civil War was always Union. There were confederate uprisings in the south, but the state, for the most part, was Union. Even today, I would say the only part of Missouri that could even be considered southern is maybe the bootheel. And Branson does have a somewhat southern feel with all the country-western shows and such. But the majority of the state, as well as the majority of the population, is Midwestern. To call this whole state Southern is ignorant. Geography does not tell you everything about a state. I agree there are some southern accents and some southern touches, but the state as a whole is Midwestern.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by STLCardsBlues1989

Missouri is southern? I didn't know that.

Maybe the bootheel and Branson have a southern feel. The rest of the state us fully Midwestern.

So tell me what "Midwestern" traits you share with Indy,Milwaukee,Madison,Minneapolis,Des Moines, Dubuque, Detroit, etc...

I really do not see it.

It is my opinion, but I really do not see many similarities.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by STLCardsBlues1989

Missouri is southern? I didn't know that.

Maybe the bootheel and Branson have a southern feel. The rest of the state us fully Midwestern.

Missouri government in the Civil War was always Union. There were confederate uprisings in the south, but the state, for the most part, was Union. Even today, I would say the only part of Missouri that could even be considered southern is maybe the bootheel. And Branson does have a somewhat southern feel with all the country-western shows and such. But the majority of the state, as well as the majority of the population, is Midwestern. To call this whole state Southern is ignorant. Geography does not tell you everything about a state. I agree there are some southern accents and some southern touches, but the state as a whole is Midwestern.

I am ignorant? Hmmm....

"In the context of the American Civil War, the term border states refers to the five slave states of Delaware, Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri, and West Virginia which bordered a free state and were aligned with the Union. All but Delaware share borders with states that joined the Confederacy. In Kentucky and Missouri there were both pro-Confederate and pro-Union government factions."

"After the secession of Southern states began, the newly elected governor of Missouri called upon the legislature to authorize a state constitutional convention on secession.A special election approved of the convention and delegates to it. This Missouri Constitutional Convention voted to remain within the Union, but rejected coercion of the Southern States by the United States."


"These events caused greater Confederate support within the state. The already pro-Southern legislature passed the governor's military bill creating the Missouri State Guard. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_states_(Civil_War)

"Missouri in the Civil War was a border state that sent men, generals, and supplies to both opposing sides, HAD ITS STAR ON BOTH FLAGS, had state governments representing each side, and endured a neighbor-against-neighbor intrastate war within the larger national war.

By the end of the Civil War, Missouri had supplied nearly 110,000 troops for the Union Army and about 40,000 troops for the Confederate Army. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missour...ican_Civil_War

[Drover]

Originally Posted by ladihawkae

anything in the central time zone would be considered the midwest.

So, San Antonio, New Orleans and Pensacola FL are in the Midwest but Detroit, Indy and Cleveland aren't?

[STLCardsBlues1989]

I know there were soldiers on both sides. I had ancestors on both sides, in the same county. But I'm saying you can't really use that to say that Missouri is southern today. And I know we have a drawl. St. Louisans have an accent. Doesn't make them Southern. Of course, there's nothing wrong with being southern, but Missouri as a whole is not southern. It's Midwestern for the most part, with a dash of southern.

Missouri has almost 6 million people. If, let's say 3/4 of the state geographically and 4 million of the people (66%) are Midwestern, how does that make a state Southern as a whole? To call Missouri southern just does not make sense. You can call the bootheel southern maybe, maybe Branson. The state as a whole is solidly Midwestern.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by STLCardsBlues1989

...And I know we have a drawl. St. Louisans have an accent. Doesn't make them Southern. Of course, there's nothing wrong with being southern, but Missouri as a whole is not southern...

I do not have anything against having a drawl or being from the south or living there.

I am just stating my opinion and showing at least some facts to support it.