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02-13-2009, 07:49 PM
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STL for Blues and Cards. I live in Southeast MO.
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I do not think geography tells the whole story on whether or not a place is Midwestern.
St. Louis can get 20 inches of snow in a year. St. Louis architecture to me seems more like Chicago or even Philly (with the rowhomes) than New Orleans. Like Milwaukee, St. Louis makes a lot of beer, not just A-B but also Griesedeck and Schlafly. Like cities in the midwest St. Louis used to depend much on manufacturing, as witnessed by all the loft conversions Downtown.
I could see why you could make a case that the more agricultural areas are somewhat southern, but St. Louis and in my opinion the rest of the state, is more southern. Like the rust belt cities like Cleveland and Detroit, St. Louis has seen decay over the last couple decades, but the city is growing again. Actually, I've heard St. Louis described as Eastern (in feel), but not Southern. If you asked St. Louisans if they are southern, you would probably get laughed at. Kansas Citians probably consider themselves Midwestern or maybe Plains area (more like Omaha), but not Southern at all.
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02-13-2009, 07:55 PM
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The Piper at the Gates of Dawn
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Originally Posted by STLCardsBlues1989
...Actually, I've St. Louis described as Eastern (in feel), but not Southern...
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St. Louis is eastern in feel?  
Let me ask you something. Many people in Missouri make biscuits and gravy do they not?
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02-13-2009, 07:57 PM
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STL for Blues and Cards. I live in Southeast MO.
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Biscuits and gravy? That's the best you can come up with?
I've heard St. Louis described as Eastern, at least in terms of architecture.
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02-13-2009, 07:57 PM
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The Piper at the Gates of Dawn
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Originally Posted by STLCardsBlues1989
Biscuits and gravy? That's the best you can come up with?
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You avoided answering.  |
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02-13-2009, 07:58 PM
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STL for Blues and Cards. I live in Southeast MO.
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I realize biscuits and gravy is a southern thing. That doesn't make the state southern.
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02-13-2009, 07:59 PM
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The Piper at the Gates of Dawn
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Look I do not hate St. Louis or the people from it although I hate its sports teams.
The thing is I really do not think Missouri is really a midwestern state in culture.
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02-13-2009, 08:01 PM
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The Piper at the Gates of Dawn
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Originally Posted by STLCardsBlues1989
I realize biscuits and gravy is a southern thing. That doesn't make the state southern.
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Well biscuits and gravy certainly is not a midwest trait and it is not very common in the midwest.
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02-13-2009, 09:28 PM
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To call STL strickly southern is rather silly, it borders on Ill. and is higher up on the map than the lowest point of Ill. I've never heard anyone call St. Louis a southern city but I've heard certain parts of Missouri called southern with good reason.
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02-13-2009, 09:34 PM
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On the misty plateau
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Ah yes, the good old Midwest debate emerges yet again.
I will limit by points by saying that I agree with some of the previous posters with regard to subregions.
Two subregions exist in the Midwest:
Great Lakes
Great Plains
The Great Lakes states are made up of most of: Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, and Minnesota. These are all of the states that have at least one Great Lake touching a portion of the state border.
The Great Plains states are made up of: North Dakota, South Dakota, Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, and Missouri. Some of the Great Plains and Midwest attributes overlap in Iowa and Missouri.
I would consider CORE Midwest cities to be: Chicago, Minneapolis, Milwaukee, Detroit, Cleveland, Indianapolis, Columbus, Madison, Grand Rapids, Green Bay, Rochester, St. Louis, Cedar Rapids, Quad Cities, Fort Wayne, Toledo, and Des Moines.
I would consider peripheral Midwest cities to be: Omaha, Lincoln, Sioux City, Sioux Falls, St. Cloud, St. Joseph, Fargo, Grand Forks, Topeka, and Kansas City. These cities share some Midwest influences, but have far less in common with the Midwest core cities that are further off to the north and east. These peripheral cities are also younger in terms of housing stock, historical architectural representations, founding, and historical population growth trends.
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02-13-2009, 09:35 PM
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On the misty plateau
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stlsmoore
To call STL strickly southern is rather silly, it borders on Ill. and is higher up on the map than the lowest point of Ill. I've never heard anyone call St. Louis a southern city but I've heard certain parts of Missouri called southern with good reason.
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The ozarkian and southern influences in MO generally overlap some southeast of Interstate 44 IMO. |
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