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07-02-2008, 03:41 PM
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07-02-2008, 03:59 PM
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Nope, none of this is convincing me to visit Detroit. We have most of that stuff in Chicago, but at a higher level of quality. If I went to Detroit, I would go to see the post-apocalyptic city that has fallen on it's sword (i.e. the automobile industry). I would go to see total urban decay and the abandoned buildings. Sadly, this is now what makes Detroit unique (though places like Newark and Camden are in the same ballpark).
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07-02-2008, 04:03 PM
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Boring in Mich!
I lived in Michigan for 32 years. There is absolutely nothing to do except during the longggggggg cold winter months (up north) ski...etc. Around Christmas each year, you have Frankenmuth. I love it, especially Bronner's.
Summer is worse. Gawd...local parks with pools are the only thing to do...
I have 2 kids at the time until we moved (ages 15 & 11) I constantly heard them say, "I'm bored, there's nothing to do." The local parks even got boring. Since moving to Chicago (3 years ago) I have not heard once the "I'm Bored" phrase. You have the beaches, parks, downtown strolling, mag mile, numerous shops, museums to keep you busy, where as MI has Greenfield Museum, and Henry Ford Museum..stay away from HF unless you're a car buff...
This is just my opinion. As for fellow Michiganders I have taked to all agree, there was just nothing to do, and finding employment was impossible.
**Bored 'girl', born & raised in Michigan.
Last edited by RedWingFan; 07-02-2008 at 04:04 PM..
Reason: Forgot to add that I am a 'girl' from MI
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07-02-2008, 04:05 PM
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Those are all very nice things, but really don't compare to Chicago, Boston, SF or NYC. Given the population of the greater metro area, and the (sadly) fact that many(most) suburbanites are terrified of entering Detroit proper, there is not the same utilization of Detroits resources that other cities have. In Chicago, a family in the far suburbs can feel comfortable venturing downtown for the Taste of Chicago, or to visit the Art Institute. Many suburbanites shop in the citiy, something not done in Detroit. Many empty nesters sell their condos in the 'burbs and move downtown to enjoy the city more. I have several friends with pied-a-terre's in the city.
One of the problems with Detroit is that it used to be a major metropolitan city, and it is imploding into something else. I (personally) blame Coleman Young for imposing a city income tax on employees of companies located in Detroit. The effect was to have all those companies move to Southfield. Harold Washington talked about taxing financial transactions at the CBOT and CME in the 1980's. The directors of those organizations showed him their plans for a new CBOT and Merc in Houston. He withdrew the idea.
You obviously love your city, and I am sorry that it is suffering. However, "I" hated suburban Detroit as soon as we moved there, I missed Chicago, since there was nothing to do in Detroit, and it was too dangerous to go there anyway.
And about race: your comments about "white girls" were quite racist. I found people in Detroit to be far more likely to stereotype blacks and whites than people in Chicago. Its considered impolite and ignorant in Chicago.
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07-02-2008, 04:17 PM
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I still think (specifically rowdy) Cubs and (specifically) rowdy White Sox even more so) are kind of the antithesis of culture and class in Chicago.
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I would never use either as an example of culture or class. Although the worst sports morons were the suburban louts that would drive into the city whenever the Bulls won the championship, just so they could turn over dumpsters and taxicabs. |
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07-02-2008, 07:10 PM
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Although the worst sports morons were the suburban louts that would drive into the city whenever the Bulls won the championship, just so they could turn over dumpsters and taxicabs.
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Is that accurate? Was it suburbanites that came in to cause chaos after the '92 repeat? |
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07-02-2008, 07:14 PM
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I would never use either as an example of culture or class. Although the worst sports morons were the suburban louts that would drive into the city whenever the Bulls won the championship, just so they could turn over dumpsters and taxicabs.
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To say it was just suburbanites that were fully responsible for that is a bit harsh. A mob mentality like that could have affected anyone present, urban or suburban. |
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07-02-2008, 07:33 PM
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Is that accurate? Was it suburbanites that came in to cause chaos after the '92 repeat?
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Certainly not in Edgewater by my apartment, it was the local idiots that looted the liquor store, set that car on fire and shot off their guns back in 92. |
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07-02-2008, 08:19 PM
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Well, I know the morons who overturned the taxicab on Division were from Carol Stream or some such outer ring suburb. The Trib made a big deal about how they came downtown to wreck havoc. I lived down on Dearborn at time and our dumpster was overturned. What a great wy to celebrate a win!! Overturning dumpsters! putting a poor taxi driver out of business.
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07-02-2008, 10:41 PM
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One more post about the D, and then I'll leave ya'll alone.
To RedWingFan, you are overexaggerating the "boring" part.
First, the Detroit Area has beaches. Detroit proper only has one beach. However, the northeastern suburbs have beaches all along Lake St. Clair, and if you go downriver, there are beaches along Lake Erie. Plus there are many little inland lakes in the northwestern suburbs where you can boat.
Yes, in Detroit proper, we have very little retail downtown, and the metro area does not have anything close to a "mag mile", but since all the money is in the 'burbs, the fairly large suburban downtowns of Birmingham and Royal Oak, as well as other smaller suburban downtowns have the "numerous shops" where you can stroll around.
I've already highlighted the various museums in the city and suburbs. Hey, RedWingFan, come on back and visit sometime. We ain't got it like Chicago, with everything centralized and grander.
To Anthera
The city income tax was implemented by Jerome Cavanaugh, a mayor of Caucasian descent, in 1962, twelve years before Coleman Young took office.
ALSO
From what I have read and heard, Chicago has a racist past and PRESENT.
Martin Luther King couldn't do ANYTHING about the housing discrimination when he led his Chicago campaign in 1965.
Also,
Chicago History -- Racism
Racism, Ethnicity, and White Identity
"In participating in the massive grassroots, if also real-estate-agent-sponsored, campaigns to enforce racially restrictive covenants in the second quarter of the twentieth century in Chicago, immigrants literally signed onto, and were accepted into, white racial identity. Coming from areas of Europe in which dividing the world into black and white people made little sense in daily life, and themselves often despised as “not quite white” on their arrival in the U.S., European newcomers and their children came to be more fully included in the white race precisely through the exclusion of African Americans."
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In addition, please read the wikipedia article entitled "Community areas of Chicago". Please click on the links to the articles about the south side neighborhoods. Each article displays the racial makeup of the neighborhood.
Community areas such as Chatham, Calumet Heights, Riverdale, etc. and MANY OTHERS are 95%+ black. Then go to click on the "Archer Heights" community area - black folk make up 0.59 % of the population!
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