Chicago's gang problem (food, residential, transit)

[JoeyPants]

Originally Posted by sittingduck41

Gang members don't intentionally aim at innocent people. That is bad for business and will result in punishment. And as the above article shows, there are plenty of gang members in the military. Knowing what you're trying to talk about is generally a good idea before you open your mouth and look stupid.

Arming dysfunctional violent thugs to the teeth with machine guns, tanks, grenades and letting them loose on the Iraqi population is irresponsible and cruel to the Iraqi people. I say ship them to a deserted Island and let them go at it and put it on youtube.

[sittingduck41]

Originally Posted by JoeyPants

Arming dysfunctional violent thugs to the teeth with machine guns, tanks, grenades and letting them loose on the Iraqi population is irresponsible and cruel to the Iraqi people. I say ship them to a deserted Island and let them go at it and put it on youtube.

Well I think before letting them go to Iraq, the training will make them somewhat less dysfunctional. And people seem to have this idea in their head that gang members are just crazy kids shooting off guns. I think they'd be surprised that a lot of them are well disciplined and take what they do VERY seriously. Professional gang members, if you will.

[rockinrolla]

Originally Posted by Gioobag

Gangs have infiltrated the US military. More joys of diversity. Look at this scum:



Frank Main, Chicago Sun-Times, May 1, 2006

The Gangster Disciples, Latin Kings and Vice Lords were born decades ago in Chicago’s most violent neighborhoods. Now, their gang graffiti is showing up 6,400 miles away in one of the world’s most dangerous neighborhoods—Iraq.

Armored vehicles, concrete barricades and bathroom walls all have served as canvasses for their spray-painted gang art. At Camp Cedar II, about 185 miles southeast of Baghdad, a guard shack was recently defaced with “GDN” for Gangster Disciple Nation, along with the gang’s six-pointed star and the word “Chitown,” a soldier who photographed it said.

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“I have identified 320 soldiers as gang members from April 2002 to present,” said Scott Barfield, a Defense Department gang detective at Fort Lewis in Washington state. “I think that’s the tip of the iceberg.”

Of paramount concern is whether gang-affiliated soldiers’ training will make them deadly urban warriors when they return to civilian life and if some are using their access to military equipment to supply gangs at home, said Barfield and other experts.

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“I know there is a lot more going on here,” he said. “I don’t inspect off-base housing or married soldiers’ housing.”

The Gangster Disciples are the most worrisome street gang at Fort Lewis because they are the most organized, Barfield said.

Barfield said gangs are encouraging their members to join the military to learn urban warfare techniques they can teach when they go back to their neighborhoods.

“Gang members are telling us in the interviews that their gang is putting them in,” he said.

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Barfield said a big concern is what such gang members trained in urban warfare will do when they return home.

He pointed to Marine Lance Cpl. Andres Raya, a suspected Norteno gang member who shot two officers with a rifle outside a liquor store in Ceres, Calif., on Jan. 9, 2005, before police returned fire and killed him. One officer died, and the other was wounded by the 19-year-old Raya, who was high on cocaine. Raya had spent seven months in Iraq before returning to Camp Pendleton near San Diego.

Photos of Raya wearing the gang’s red colors and making gang hand signs were reportedly found in a safe in his room.

Hunter Glass, a Fayetteville, N.C., police detective, said he has seen an increase in gang activity involving soldiers from nearby Fort Bragg. A Fort Bragg soldier—a member of the Insane Gangster Crips—is charged with a gang-related robbery in Fayetteville that ended in the slaying of a Korean store owner in November, said Glass, a veteran of the elite 82nd Airborne based at Fort Bragg.

He estimated that hundreds of gang members are stationed at the base as soldiers.

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A law enforcement source in Chicago said police see some evidence of soldiers working with gangs here. Police recently stopped a vehicle and found 10 military flak jackets inside. A gang member in the vehicle told investigators his brother was a Marine and sent the jackets home, the source said.

Barfield said he knows of civilian gang members in the Seattle area who also have been caught with flak jackets that he suspects were stolen from Fort Lewis.

Oh well, at least with military training, their aim will be better, ergo less erratic shooting, resulting in a higher kill ratio of scuzzy gangbangers, consequently, less innocent bystanders taking a bullet. I'm ok with that.

[Irishtom29]

Originally Posted by JoeyPants

Arming dysfunctional violent thugs to the teeth with machine guns, tanks, grenades and letting them loose on the Iraqi population is irresponsible and cruel to the Iraqi people. I say ship them to a deserted Island and let them go at it and put it on youtube.

Sounds like the army needs to go back to flogging, hanging by the thumbs, bucking and gagging, the whirligig, riding the rail and branding.

[Chi-town Native]

Originally Posted by Irishtom29

Sounds like the army needs to go back to flogging, hanging by the thumbs, bucking and gagging, the whirligig, riding the rail and branding.

and my personal favorite for creativity, keelhauling. really, that one took some ingenuity.

[KtownFan]

Originally Posted by sittingduck41

Gang members don't intentionally aim at innocent people. That is bad for business and will result in punishment. And as the above article shows, there are plenty of gang members in the military. Knowing what you're trying to talk about is generally a good idea before you open your mouth and look stupid.

[Irishtom29]

Originally Posted by Chi-town Native

and my personal favorite for creativity, keelhauling. really, that one took some ingenuity.

Ah, well the Royal Navy. They also had flogging 'round the fleet and "kissing the gunner's daughter". And then the worst punishment of all---stoppage of grog.

[iwynns]

there are a lot of clueless people here that are quick to say gangs are stupid and this and that when they've never set foot by themselves without a car to get them out in a terrorized neighborhood like lawndale or englewood.

gang banging is a lifestyle, it's a culture - you are what you do. kids don't choose it, they're born into it and it is a vicious cycle. in a neighborhood that offers no jobs, houses that offer no love and no food and gang bangers that offer money and women, children who's brains aren't fully developed see no other choice.

try living the life for a day. wake up to roaches two inches away, maybe a bit of cereal mixed with water for breakfast, crack vials in piles on your doorstep, fiends foaming at the mouth on the corner, **** and **** smelling sidewalks with two foot high lawns and a twenty five cent bag of cheetos for dinner. no parental guidance whatsoever. you're raised by thugs, and learn your math from drug dealers. your siblings get shot in the head by rival gang members. mom doesn't love you because you're too much like your father. everyone you know ends up in prison. hey, at least in jail you have three meals a day and you're not alone. would it not make you crazy? give it a try for a day or shut the **** up and count your blessings.

[Avengerfire]

Gangs are stupid.

[sittingduck41]

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