Is the Southside really that bad? (Chicago, Rockford: section 8, homes, schools)

[Humboldt1]

I agree with you but everytime I try to have this discussion they shut the thread down on me. So, I won't go there.

"Culture of entitlement" is about all they will let me say on here without getting all hot and bothered about it.

My solution has been to shut off govt subsidies payments above 2-3 children, but people say this is too harsh and liken this to China. If we had done this years ago, there would be fewer poor people and fewer people to subsidize. Yes, a large proportion of one race if you want to go there.

[aragx6]

If you could show me any research that indicates that putting limits on the number of children who can receive assistance in any way reduces the number of children that these people have, then I would certainly be willing to consider it. I don't believe it would however.

Lower class people of every race in every part of the country have more children. This is due to lack of education and lack of access to services.

[Humboldt1]

Lower class people tend to have more children in general, but certain races have higher numbers of children than others. Blacks have the most (3.3 average), followed by hispanics (3.4 among those without high school and 2.4 among those with high school) and then whites (2.2). Asians and middle eastern are comparable to white numbers (2.3 and 2.4). These numbers are only for the US. I would like to see the numbers broken down education-wise for whites and blacks and am sure someone can provide the information or the link with it.

People who rely on govt aid will have fewer kids if we don't pay for additional kids with programs like food stamps. Many are selling these food stamps for cash or drugs instead of using them for their intended purpose. I have seen this firsthand. By giving additional funds for more children, we (and our govt) incent lower-class people to have more children.

[lincolnparker]

so our society is not classless after all? y'all were talking about lower class and such? I got the impression that our society is divided into different classes by
money
education
race
among many others. Was I lead to a fair conclusion on this matter?

[ManheimMadman]

People naturally tend to gravitate to people that are like them. So yes, money, education (to some extent) and certainly race play a big role in how things get segregated.

Although, what if I'm a white guy with a masters degree and some money, while my neighbor is a black city worker with a h.s. diploma- he may not be ghetto, but I still like him. Kind of weird, right? It doesn't fit into the scheme of some preconceived things. Although the general consensus is that most people with common sense and a decent ethics don't like trashy people of any race.

[aragx6]

Originally Posted by Humboldt1

Lower class people tend to have more children in general, but certain races have higher numbers of children than others. Blacks have the most (3.3 average), followed by hispanics (3.4 among those without high school and 2.4 among those with high school) and then whites (2.2). Asians and middle eastern are comparable to white numbers (2.3 and 2.4). These numbers are only for the US. I would like to see the numbers broken down education-wise for whites and blacks and am sure someone can provide the information or the link with it.

For those numbers to mean anything you have to adjust them for income. Far more minorities have low income, so the correlation is a little off.

If you look only at low income white, blacks and Hispanics and then only at high income whites, blacks and Hispanics the number of children is far more similar.

[ManheimMadman]

Originally Posted by aragx6

For those numbers to mean anything you have to adjust them for income. Far more minorities have low income, so the correlation is a little off.

If you look only at low income white, blacks and Hispanics and then only at high income whites, blacks and Hispanics the number of children is far more similar.

so can we safely assume higher income = higher levels of education= less likely to be a gov't sponge?

[lincolnparker]

I would be inclined to point out that higher levels of education are a primary driver of higher income and therefore less crime and less likely to be a gov't sponge

[EventHorizon]

Higher education=higher income=less crime

If so, then why do the homeless and those who only rely on government subsidies to get by only live in areas close to...

A) Concentrations of wealth, ie Chicago, NY, LA among others
B) Centers of higher education, ie University of Chicago, DePaul, etc.

Whereas the more rural you go, the less concentrated wealth becomes, and you are further distanced from the "pretige" of higher learning institutions. And yet rural areas don't have the same problems...

[aragx6]

Originally Posted by EventHorizon

And yet rural areas don't have the same problems...

Yes they do. Look at drug use, spousal abuse, assault, theft, welfare, multiple children that can't be paid for... this all happens in rural areas. sounds to me that you've never lived in one.