Is Chicago Underrated? (Kansas, Brooklyn, Time: stores, gangs, move to)

[justalicious6989]

Originally Posted by muer

This is the second trite post I've seen. LA is too spread out? Really? What specific part of LA is too spread out? What should they do? Build Cabrini Green/ Robert Taylor-like project housing? By the way LA is very dense. LA is large because it began as farm land. Other cities like Portland and San Fran began as ports where it is more beneficial to be centered around the harbour.

Oh yeah, LA is more dense than just about every city in the USA.
City Mayors: Largest cities in the world by population density (1 to 125).
Why, because one house/apartment in Los Angeles can have 5,6,7 people living in one unit. How common is that in Chicago? So bring facts or go home chap.

We get what kind of person you are. We get where you are coming from DUDE. You hate math, but love statitstcs like density stats. But you don't like other stats like how economically diverse/mixed your city is.

You like to insult others because they live in cities where people drive cars. This is what we call "holier than thou." If you condemn others, remember others may rightfully condemn you, which results in back-in-forth bickering.

You like Brooklyn, San Fran, Portland, and all the other gentrifying "hipster" cities where suburban kids are suddenly calling home. Williamsburg is your absolute favourite because it has the right type of diversity, Asians and gay people.

You have been influenced by your friends to believe that you are saving the city.
You LOVE to read books that reinforce your mindsight, but seldom try to determine the logic of convention.

You have been told people living together spawns culture and arts. Wrong, Rural areas of the south where people can live miles apart yet still know of everybody in town will always have always and will always have more culture than a gentrified city with people living directly on top of each other.

You have hate country music and the South but LOVE Neko Case and Gillian Welch. Out of al the music you like, how much of the music comes from places that can't possible support art because they are too spread out. Bloodshot Records is based totally on country music. What kind of density do they have in the country?

Probably most disturbing is your quib about gangs in Los Angeles, which probably has more to do more with the state of lower-income minority youth not being integrated into society and instead of working on a solution you use it as a chance to insult other people. Listen just because your pretty neighborhood doesn't have the same problems doesn't mean you or your city is better. It just means more people in other cities are in need of being helped. It's not funny so don't laugh, it's a case of people lacking a strong network to guide them. Be humble, would you.

Quit already with this season crap. It's a weak, trite justification. Only people with horrible weather say that. Answer this, How many people from LA, San Diego, Spain, Florida come to Chicago during the wintertime to "experience" the excitement of having "more than one season"? Exactly.
LA is too full of fake people unlike Wrigleyville, Gold Coast, and Wicker Park.

You are too predictable. How many times have you actually been...no no...been to LA, not seen it on TV. That's Right. Stop hatin'!

-Muer

DONT GET ME STARTED WITH FAKE PEOPLE!
YOU GUYS ARE HOME TO THE LARGEST PLASTIC SURGEREY POPULATION IN THE WORLD
i will agree alot of people on the northside of chicago are fake why i do not nor will ever understand
and also
whats this? we have in some homes close to 2 to 4 family's alot of the houses look like houses, but the upstairs are apartments.
have you been to the ACTUAL city?
and math who says we do not like math?
where are these facts coming from?
are they being pulled out of the smog from your air?

[justalicious6989]

Originally Posted by MachineKnownAsLosAngeles

yea its sad how the perceptons chicagoans have on California arent true for the most part
or the "natural disasters" they think we live amongst dont really affect us the way they THINK

yet all the things we say about chicago are true such as being an overgrown midwestern city, bad location, bad weather, not much glamour


just pointing that out

then why do close to 3 million people live in the borders, and around 2 and a quarter million live in the county?
and 9 million something in the chicagoland region?

[justalicious6989]

at least chicago has a band named after it, and a song sweet home chicago
and LA has what?
we need to just give california back to mexico free of charge since we stole it form them, then we wouldnt need to be compared to Them

[Chicago Misanthrope]

Originally Posted by muer

Oh yeah, LA is more dense than just about every city in the USA.
http://www.citymayors.com/statistics/largest-cities-density-125.html"]City Mayors: Largest cities in the world by population density (1 to 125)[/url].
Why, because one house/apartment in Los Angeles can have 5,6,7 people living in one unit. How common is that in Chicago? So bring facts or go home chap.

Here are some facts: the page that you link to explains that the population density chart that is presented says that the population densities of L.A. and Chicago are 2,570/sq km and 1,500/sq km, respectively. It also says that the chart it presents ranks "the cities with the largest land area and their surrounding urban areas by population density expressed in people per square kilometre. Most such agglomerations are economically, socially and culturally dominated by one city at their centre. Occasionally however, several cities of similar status and their suburbs make up an urban area."

So what we have are the population densities of Los Angeles together with its surrounding area and Chicago with its surrounding area, not the population densities of the cities themselves. Look at the population numbers given for L.A. and Chicago on that chart: 11,789,000 and 8,308,000. We're looking at areas much larger than the cities themselves and hence Chicago ends up with a much lower population density because its surrounding suburbs are included with it. If you look at just the cities themselves, the population densities are:

Chicago: 12,649/sq mi (4,816/km²)
Los Angeles: 8,205/sq mi (3,168/km²)

Source: Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles,_California

By the way, I am a native Chicagoan and I do think that this city is overrated and I plan to move soon. But to a real city, not to a patchwork of sprawling suburbs like L.A.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by nJohn

19 pages. To read, or not to read, that is the question.

You won't be missing much if you don't devote yourself to reading this entire thread.

[Mamama Mia]

I am a Chicago native and a resident of the suburbs at the current time. It is a beautiful world-class city. Unfortunately, our politics are not at all world-class, but are really a huge embarrassment.

[gichicago]

Is Chicago Underrated? Who cares, I know I dont. After reading some of this thread I came to the realization that eveyone is spitting out statistics/findings, etc, where at the end of the day, it has no bearing on how you live your life, and if it does, then you have problems.

For example, I could care less if LA is 2x, 3x, 4x, 100x times more dense than Chicago, and the study was done by a bunch of Harvard PHD's, and was blessed by both Chicago and LA mayors; im still owning a car if I moved to LA because thats the best way to live your life there. At the same token, Chicago weather does suck in the winter.

[Attrill]

Originally Posted by Drover

You won't be missing much if you don't devote yourself to reading this entire thread.

Amen.

[Shaun32]

Wow, I just read this entire thread, and no, you will not miss much. Just a heated argument that in the end has gotten nowhere.

[SlickRick1]

Lookout kid,,,,what are you on your own recommended site said that Toronto had almost twice as many highrises as Chicago and NYC has almost six times as many. So if NYC isnt' that much Chicago must be nothing. Get your facts right before you come on ranting and raving.