Segregation in Chicago (Lincoln, Ashland, Vienna: houses, university, live)

[chicagocubs]

Segreagated how? By ethnicity? that is the way that it has always been. Check your history and Chicago is just as great as the other cities mentioned..

[Lookout Kid]

Check your facts there buddy. New York City is more segregated than Chicago according to the U.S. Census Segregation Index, and just about any other segregation calculation out there. Chicago is in the top ten, but pretty much any formerly industrial Northern city that experienced a significant influx of black residents during the Great Migration has a problem with segregation. San Francisco and L.A. have VERY small black populations compared to places like Chicago, New York, or Cleveland.

[Lookout Kid]

Here are the top 25 most segregated cities over 100,000 people, according to the U.S. Census.

1.Gary, IN 122,686428,791631,36287.9
2.Detroit, MI 1,012,2623,096,9004,441,55186.7
3.Milwaukee-Waukesha, WI 232,2471,116,1501,500,74184.4
4.New York, NY 2,118,9573,684,6699,314,23584.3
5.Chicago, IL 1,541,6414,798,5338,272,76883.6
6.Newark, NJ 440,5971,196,6642,032,98983.4
7.Flint, MI 88,356323,136436,14181.2
8.Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY 134,645965,2331,170,11180.4
9.Cleveland-Lorain-Elyria, OH412,7821,697,6602,250,87179.7
10.Saginaw-Bay City-Midland, MI40,875332,429403,07079.1
11.Nassau-Suffolk, NY 223,1222,105,3522,753,91379.0
12.Johnstown, PA 5,492223,066232,62178.8
13.St. Louis, MO-IL 474,5492,014,7762,603,60778.0
14.Cincinnati, OH-KY-IN 212,4521,375,2671,646,39578.0
15.Birmingham, AL 276,044611,574921,10677.4
16.Kankakee, IL 15,94280,829103,83377.3
17.Gadsden, AL 15,12084,919103,45977.1
18.Philadelphia, PA-NJ 1,008,1733,583,0905,100,93176.9
19.Bergen-Passaic, NJ 104,677890,6401,373,16776.8
20.Benton Harbor, MI 25,729126,798162,45376.6
21.Youngstown-Warren, OH 60,321513,967594,74676.1
22.Miami, FL 427,140465,7722,253,36275.8
23.Peoria-Pekin, IL 30,519302,962347,38775.7
24.Indianapolis, IN 222,5771,299,3111,607,48675.5
25.Beaumont-Port Arthur, TX

[cdc3217]

One of the city's nicknames is the City of Neighborhoods. Neighborhoods tended to develop as immigrant enclaves of one sort or another. I think partly because Chicago has such deep roots among its multi-generational residents compared to many other cities - a greater percentage stay in one neighborhood over time and create the racial patterns taht exist even now. Change is slow, and even slower where's there's so much history.

[cubssoxfan]

There are definite historical patterns to neighborhoods changing. Take Devon Av. corridor. Decades ago very Jewish. Then the Jews moved to Skokie and then farther out to Buffalo Grove. Same pattern with the Indian and Pakistani comminity, with Skokie being first suburban stop. Skokie is also seeing an influx of hispanic people migrating from Humboldt Park and neighborhoods north. And Devon Av. remains mixed because of those who simply did not want to move from the "old neighborhood".
Pattern typically starts with renting an apartment in the city for economic and/or cultural reasons. When the individual or family moves up the economic ladder and look to buy a house the suburbs often are more attractive because of better schools, lower crime and cheaper housing. I think this pattern played out on the west, south and southwest side as well. Prejudism did accelerate the segregation of many neighborhoods. Some of it is human nature, some want to live with mix of different people, others are uncomfortable with that. Then there is the "house" prejudism. This takes people who are otherwise unprejudist and has them avoiding areas with higher number of minorities for fear of their housing investment going backwards. When you rent, the financial risk is minimal, when you purchase it is far greater. So yes there are segregated areas, but also diverse, mixed areas. Maybe I'm naive, but I think every large urban and even smaller towns, have this pattern. Right or wrong, it's human nature.

[cubssoxfan]

Lookout,
Good info. What is their qualification for a segregated city?

[Lookout Kid]

The Segregation Index is a "dissimilarity index", and it measures the amount of residential mixing between those of different races. A block where every other house is black and white (i.e. black house, white house, black house, white house) would be perfectly integrated according to this index.

[lincolnparker]

so what is Lincoln Park as an immigrant enclave?

Originally Posted by cdc3217

One of the city's nicknames is the City of Neighborhoods. Neighborhoods tended to develop as immigrant enclaves of one sort or another. I think partly because Chicago has such deep roots among its multi-generational residents compared to many other cities - a greater percentage stay in one neighborhood over time and create the racial patterns taht exist even now. Change is slow, and even slower where's there's so much history.

[vandre]

Originally Posted by lincolnparker

so what is Lincoln Park as an immigrant enclave?

Diversity != Immigrant enclave. The two might be related, but are not necessarily the same. I think a factor that makes Lincoln Park more diverse is DePaul University; lots of students from different backgrounds

[cdc3217]

Hmmm...I'll have to ask my hhold Chicago history nerd. Some neighborhoods were always upper class...maybe LP was one of them.

Edit: according to wikipedia it was a German and Polish neighborhood originally.