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Old 01-05-2009, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Ok Chet, now you are getting annoyingly ignorant and useless in the discussion.
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Old 01-05-2009, 09:08 PM
 
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Well Naperville is not a pedestrian or bicycle friendly suburb and it covers a very large square mile area. Basically the whole town is a bunch of separated subdivisions. There are not even sidewalks along major roads in many areas of Naperville. Would you walk 5-10 miles to a train station? Think about it.
But thats my point.
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Old 01-05-2009, 09:12 PM
 
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But thats my point.
What is your point? You are saying take away the Metra stop in Naperville just because people have to drive to it?

How about put those thousands of people on the road driving to Chicago every morning and then parking there. Lets see how you feel then.
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Old 01-05-2009, 09:16 PM
 
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What is your point? You are saying take away the Metra stop in Naperville just because people have to drive to it?

How about put those thousands of people on the road driving to Chicago every morning and then parking there. Lets see how you feel then.
No. My point is once the damage is done (bad urban planning: i.e. Naperville) its extremely difficult to fix on a patchwork basis. Which (for the 3rd time in this thread) I am saying that the next best thing is to encourage high density transit oriented developments where it IS possible to walk to stations, etc
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Old 01-05-2009, 09:19 PM
 
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No. My point is once the damage is done (bad urban planning: i.e. Naperville) its extremely difficult to fix on a patchwork basis. Which (for the 3rd time in this thread) I am saying that the next best thing is to encourage high density transit oriented developments where it IS possible to walk to stations, etc
They already exist in the suburbs where there is high density. So you are saying create better planned new developments along existing Metra Lines and encourage even more urban sprawl? That sounds like a great idea. NOT.
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Old 01-05-2009, 09:21 PM
 
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Forget it.
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Old 01-05-2009, 09:21 PM
 
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sorry avenger I don't see your point.

Naperville is not significantly more dense in terms of residents than some of the areas that the pie-in-the-sky dreamers would like to see more CTA trains.

If the region gets more dense then more transit could be supported, if it doesn't it won't. There are not a lot architectural gems that would draw people into the areas cited, nor are their unique recreational / cultural features. I am not being pissy, I am being realistic. Honestly.

In terms of the whole country I can think of a lot more places that would see far greater benefits from the kinds of investment in rapid transit that the dreamers' maps would reap. I love Chicago. I think trains are pretty neat but I am under no illusion that the rubber wheeled Metro is why Parisians live in the cramped conditions they do. It is a way of life that I cannot envision ever driving out the personal transportation centric nature of Chicago fringes...
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Old 01-05-2009, 10:02 PM
 
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If the region gets more dense then more transit could be supported, if it doesn't it won't. There are not a lot architectural gems that would draw people into the areas cited, nor are their unique recreational / cultural features. I am not being pissy, I am being realistic. Honestly.
I think you are being at least a little bit pissy. It's the tone of your posts. Which proposed expansion plans do you specifically take issue with? Extending the Bloomingdale line (or the old "L" route down North Avenue) to Humboldt Park makes perfect sense because this is a dense part of the city that is underserved by transit. The Circle Line makes sense as a link between existing lines--and will eliminate the need to go downtown prior to transferring to other "L" lines around the city (easing the limitations of the "star pattern"). I can also see benefit to extending the Brown Line into the commercial districts of Northwest Side. Even though these neighborhoods are "bungalow belt", there is enough density for the Brown to extend further.

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I think trains are pretty neat but I am under no illusion that the rubber wheeled Metro is why Parisians live in the cramped conditions they do. It is a way of life that I cannot envision ever driving out the personal transportation centric nature of Chicago fringes...
Apparently there are a lot of things you can't envision. As someone who has lived in Paris, I can tell you that the city could not function without it's public transit. Without it, Paris would be a skeleton of its former self in the modern age.
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Old 01-05-2009, 10:07 PM
 
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...Extending the Bloomingdale line (or the old "L" route down North Avenue) to Humboldt Park ...
Just for the record the old Humboldt Park line ran down the first alley north of North Avenue.

The Bloomingdale right of way was a freight line I believe.

You may of known that. Maybe I misunderstood you and thought you did not know that.

I figured I would mention it regardless. I know some people do not know the difference between those two.
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Old 01-05-2009, 10:18 PM
 
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Just for the record the old Humboldt Park line ran down the first alley north of North Avenue.

The Bloomingdale right of way was a freight line I believe.

You may of known that. Maybe I misunderstood you and thought you did not know that.

I figured I would mention it regardless. I know some people do not know the difference between those two.
I did know that, and that's why I mentioned the old North Avenue route. Someone else in the thread mentioned using the Bloomindale route for "L" traffic, and I was just going with that--though I have no idea how you would go about connecting this to the Blue Line.

Heck, there were still freight trains on that Bloomindale right-of-way after I moved here, so it must have been decommissioned somewhat recently (like within the last decade).
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