White flight from SW side (Chicago, Evanston: renter, buyer, good schools)

[Drover]

Originally Posted by Sleepy09

No thanks. I want to drive down your property values and scare your children.

I'm already minority in my own neighborhood. Your assumptions suck.

[PokerPlayer1]

Originally Posted by Sleepy09

Are there any affluent, majority African American neighborhoods in Chicago?

Are you black?
If so, what would you think about a poster from your hometown in "the deep south" coming on and inquiring about "majority white" suburbs?
Your classification of him as a "redneck" and "ignorant" would probably beat light speed.

One of the more hilarious hypocrisies perpetrated by many Chicago blacks who have hauled up their own bootstraps and done well for themselves is the perpetual desire to insist that white people (particularly middle income, blue collar ones) must support "integration" in their own neighborhoods lest they be "racist", yet they themselves are the first ones to get the hell away from the very ghetto standard of living that is an almost inevitable consequence of low/middle income integration, either off to whatever "affluent black" area they can find, or straight into a white one. When they get out of the ghetto, it's just bein' George and Weezy. When the ghetto moves in on white folks, well, they'd better be OK with that or else racist racist racist!

[promis1]

Originally Posted by Sleepy09

Wow. I'm moving from the Deep South to Chicago in a few months, and I guess I should've expected that the attitudes of the Whites that I've grown up with wouldn't be much different than the attitudes of many Whites in Chicago as evidenced by this discussion.

I guess rednecks are a universal phenomenon. It's just that some wear country wifebeaters & live in trailer parks and others wear city suits & post on this forum.

Are there any affluent, majority African American neighborhoods in Chicago?

No, and probably never will be.

[promis1]

Originally Posted by PokerPlayer1

Are you black?
If so, what would you think about a poster from your hometown in "the deep south" coming on and inquiring about "majority white" suburbs?
Your classification of him as a "redneck" and "ignorant" would probably beat light speed.

One of the more hilarious hypocrisies perpetrated by many Chicago blacks who have hauled up their own bootstraps and done well for themselves is the perpetual desire to insist that white people (particularly middle income, blue collar ones) must support "integration" in their own neighborhoods lest they be "racist", yet they themselves are the first ones to get the hell away from the very ghetto standard of living that is an almost inevitable consequence of low/middle income integration, either off to whatever "affluent black" area they can find, or straight into a white one. When they get out of the ghetto, it's just bein' George and Weezy. When the ghetto moves in on white folks, well, they'd better be OK with that or else racist racist racist!

Totally agree and so true. It seems that our media only believes that whites can be racist. Remember a few years ago, when the white kid on the south side of Chicago was beat by 3 black kids in a park. They admitted to the police that they beat him because he was a goofy looking white boy- but yet they were not charged with a hate crime. Hypocrisy is too alive in this race issue- and if we are all to be treated as equals- then racism must be accused of all races- not just whites.

[Manigault]

Originally Posted by promis1

No, and probably never will be.

An affluent African-American community in Chicago? After my grandfather moved into one in the NYC suburbs in 1929 (its still there!) I moved to the south side. Someone has already has informed you on this board that Hyde Park-Kenwood is majority black and has been so for 30 years. It certainly is a stable, and is a relatively affluent area. At base your statement is intellectually dishonest. You know better and are letting your narrow opinions cloud the assessment.

Originally Posted by PokerPlayer1

One of the more hilarious hypocrisies perpetrated by many Chicago blacks who have hauled up their own bootstraps and done well for themselves is the perpetual desire to insist that white people (particularly middle income, blue collar ones) must support "integration" in their own neighborhoods lest they be "racist", yet they themselves are the first ones to get the hell away from the very ghetto standard of living that is an almost inevitable consequence of low/middle income integration, either off to whatever "affluent black" area they can find, or straight into a white one. When they get out of the ghetto, it's just bein' George and Weezy. When the ghetto moves in on white folks, well, they'd better be OK with that or else racist racist racist!

Well, its not just white folks moving into Woodlawn and Oakwood, expanding the resurgence of new construction on the south side. You think poor folks are shelling out $300k for a townhouse? Who is moving into Washington Park and those townhomes where they tore down Robert Taylor? Its some white people but mostly black folks. Those affluent black folks who moved into Pill Hill are still there -- the houses have not been split up into two-flats or rooming houses.

I think your proposition happens to be false. Look at Michelle, Barack and Craig -- five Ivy League degrees among them and still living on the south side, even before becoming famous. Yes, there have been black folks who moved to the suburbs. However, many of the middle-income and upper income black folks just remained in the same neighborhoods.

[Manigault]

Originally Posted by promis1

Totally agree and so true. It seems that our media only believes that whites can be racist. Remember a few years ago, when the white kid on the south side of Chicago was beat by 3 black kids in a park. They admitted to the police that they beat him because he was a goofy looking white boy- but yet they were not charged with a hate crime. Hypocrisy is too alive in this race issue- and if we are all to be treated as equals- then racism must be accused of all races- not just whites.

For a second I thought you were talking about Lenard Clark, a black kid beaten up by white thugs on the south side. But, I guess you may recall that the only hate crime case which went to the Supreme Court was about some black kids beating up white kids?

You're painting with too broad a brush. However, from what I have seen, that seems to be a habit with you.

[Cissie53]

Every white person isn't like what you are reading. I grew up on the south side 63rd and Ashland and yea there is always hatred from people but it goes both ways. There are as many prejudice Black, Hispanic, Asian people as White. Check out Obamas' old neighborhood if you want affluent south side black.

[Sleepy09]

Originally Posted by PokerPlayer1

Are you black?
If so, what would you think about a poster from your hometown in "the deep south" coming on and inquiring about "majority white" suburbs?
Your classification of him as a "redneck" and "ignorant" would probably beat light speed.

One of the more hilarious hypocrisies perpetrated by many Chicago blacks who have hauled up their own bootstraps and done well for themselves is the perpetual desire to insist that white people (particularly middle income, blue collar ones) must support "integration" in their own neighborhoods lest they be "racist", yet they themselves are the first ones to get the hell away from the very ghetto standard of living that is an almost inevitable consequence of low/middle income integration, either off to whatever "affluent black" area they can find, or straight into a white one. When they get out of the ghetto, it's just bein' George and Weezy. When the ghetto moves in on white folks, well, they'd better be OK with that or else racist racist racist!

Here we go.

Yet another internet person who loves to bytch & moan about reverse discrimination that doesn't even exist. [mod cut -- personal attack]

Your problem is that you equate Black with ghetto when you should be equating ghetto with low socioeconomic status. Do I have issues with people wanting to preserve the property values of their homes and the quality of their school systems by wanting neighbors with similar SES? No. I have a problem with sheltered Whites getting afraid & moving when one Black family (who differs from them only in color) moves in. That is where racism comes into play.

Why would I want to live permanently in a ghetto when I have always lived in affluent neighborhoods? I would no more want to purchase a house & raise children in an area surrounded by lower SES Hispanics or Blacks than I would want to be surrounded by poor White trash such as yourself.

And did I say that I was looking to purchase a home in an affluent predominately African American neighborhood? NO! I simply inquired as to whether or not they exist in Chicago as they do down here. If you must know, I'll actually be renting a condo in the Ukranian Village or Pilsen area. I'm young, unmarried, and have no children so my neighbors' SES is currently of no interest to me.

[Sleepy09]

Originally Posted by Cissie53

Every white person isn't like what you are reading. I grew up on the south side 63rd and Ashland and yea there is always hatred from people but it goes both ways. There are as many prejudice Black, Hispanic, Asian people as White. Check out Obamas' old neighborhood if you want affluent south side black.

I'm aware.

I have no problem with most Whites. "Some of my best friends are White."

I've dated a White man before. Race is not a huge factor in how I live my life (especially now that I live in the city as opposed to my old hometown), but I certainly do not turn a blind eye to it. It'd be dangerous to do so. And I certainly want to be aware of Chicago's racial dynamics before I move because I might settle there long-term.

[meatpuff]

Originally Posted by PokerPlayer1

One of the more hilarious hypocrisies perpetrated by many Chicago blacks who have hauled up their own bootstraps and done well for themselves is the perpetual desire to insist that white people (particularly middle income, blue collar ones) must support "integration" in their own neighborhoods lest they be "racist", yet they themselves are the first ones to get the hell away from the very ghetto standard of living that is an almost inevitable consequence of low/middle income integration, either off to whatever "affluent black" area they can find, or straight into a white one.

Yeah, I'm with Sleepy, I'm not seeing this and I don't think it's widespread. Do you know an especially large amount of affluent blacks who are telling you this all the time? How did you get this notion? I have heard blacks say stuff like this on the evening news, but have you checked the blacks you have heard this from are affluent?

I can see affluent blacks bemoaning the lack of housing where middle-income blacks can afford to live and will fit in. But actually the middle-income whites have the same problem nowadays. There are enough places that are nice but too expensive, and lots of places that are cheap but where no one would ever want to live. Not much left in the middle, it seems. Maybe another benefit of the real estate price correction is that the middle will return.