White flight from SW side (Chicago, Avon: sales, foreclose, low crime)

[mel2000]

Originally Posted by jdiddy

And the Univ of Chicago expanding into the area.

Any influx of Hyde Park wannabes will go to either the Oakland neighborhood to the north, or Woodlawn to the south. Washington Park is too dangerous and too isolated from U of C to benefit.

[entyss]

With us, it wasn't white flight, it was the realtors. For reasons I won't go into here (health) we had our home on the market near Scottsdale off and on for 3 years. When the very first realtor came, we were discussing advertising, and he named 3 local Chicago Hispanic newspapers. Hispanic. At the time, there was one Hispanic family on the block. We didn't go with that Realtor, because I accused him of targeting. During the time the house was on the market, not one "White" family was shown the house. All Hispanic. During that time, other homes in the neighborhood were sold, All To Hispanics. Do I have a problem with Hispanic NO - do I have a problem with neighbors with whom you can't communicate because they do not speak English, Yes, I have a problem with that. Our new neighbors spoke not one word of English (and was eventually foreclosed on), and that is a situation that just does not work. "Can you move your car from my driveway?" sorry, no English...;"Can you get your dogs to stop barking?" sorry, no English. "Can you please put your trash out for the Sanitation workers so we don't attract rats?" Sorry, no English. You get the picture. I truly did not want to move, lived there for 30 years, but when you can't communicate, there's no other choice. So we left, along with everyone else who did speak English. Do I dislike Hispanics, no, do I hate Realtors YES!

[jdiddy]

Originally Posted by mel2000

Any influx of Hyde Park wannabes will go to either the Oakland neighborhood to the north, or Woodlawn to the south. Washington Park is too dangerous and too isolated from U of C to benefit.

I'm not talking about spill over. The university is actually purchasing up lots in the area. If they eventually use these lots towards some type of university development, it may be the impetus for additional redevelepment in the immediate area.

[snoylekim]

let's look at the scenarios , based on the Olympic decision :

1.) Chicago gets the Olympics - U of C sells the lots and recognizes a nice gain ( notice I didn't use the word 'profit', because they're non-profit) . The redevelopment engine is the Olympic facilities, whether or not they're 'temporary' as has been suggested
2.) Chicago doesn't get the Olympics - Hmm, what would U of C develop in the area ?? Nothing Academic most likely, nor Residential for Students and Faculty. Any direct U of C facility would require an extension of their electronic and 'people' security apparatus across Washington Park .. In this scenario they're selling the land or JVing with a non-University related venture

In either scenario, the physical 'community' gets revitalized, but there will be displacement of exiting community facilities, businesses, and residents .. That's a fact of urban development.

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by ajolotl

Why is that interesting?

The connotations are what's interesting. The terms "white flight" and "gentrification" have negative connotations. The term "white flight" assigns blame right on its face -- like the person's running from something. The same types of terms are not used when minority groups move to/from areas. What if you called a Latino influx (e.g. Cicero) "Mexification" or a converse move of Latinos away from an area (e.g. in Pilsen) "Mexican Flight?" Those terms wouldn't be considered acceptable, nor should they be. But why would those terms be different than the derrogatory terms applied to Caucasians when they come to or move from an area?

Someone said it right -- it's only a matter of time before a white person invokes fair housing laws to combat anti-gentrification efforts, which are racially discriminatory if you really think about it.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by justalicious6989

Theres a damn harold's chicken in hometown. What the hell is that about?

It's about serving yummy, delicious crispy fried chicken to the adoring masses. I mean, really, who could argue with that?

[Attrill]

Originally Posted by Drover

It's about serving yummy, delicious crispy fried chicken to the adoring masses. I mean, really, who could argue with that?

I certainly won't! I'm really happy they opened the one on Milwaukee.

[Lookout Kid]

Originally Posted by Attrill

I certainly won't! I'm really happy they opened the one on Milwaukee.

The problem with Harold's is that there is no consistency between separate franchises. There are good Harold's and bad Harold's, and you really have to know the specific store.

[snoylekim]

Originally Posted by Lookout Kid

The problem with Harold's is that there is no consistency between separate franchises. There are good Harold's and bad Harold's, and you really have to know the specific store.

That's the adventure for Harold's devotees ..but most of them outside the 'core' area of the original franchises , well, kinda suck ..

I think there's a 2,000,000+ post thread on the best Harolds over on the LTH forum ..

[ajolotl]

Originally Posted by BRU67

The same types of terms are not used when minority groups move to/from areas. What if you called a Latino influx (e.g. Cicero)

I don't get it. "Black flight" is a commonly used expression also.