White flight from SW side (Chicago: schools, income, tax)

[Lookout Kid]

Originally Posted by Avengerfire

If one includes Belmont Central, Cragin, Avondale,Kelvin Park,Kilbourn Park,Belmont Gardens,Hanson Park,and Albany Park (although Albany Park is improving now after decades of crap) in the Northwest side (which they are) than this is not the case in those neighborhoods. Those neighborhoods have become much worse with crime after Latinos moved in and continue to get worse (with the exception of Albany Park which is getting some gentrification.)

It has more to do with the percentage of renters verses homeowners. Albany Park and Avondale have more rental housing than Jefferson Park, for instance.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by Lookout Kid

It has more to do with the percentage of renters verses homeowners. Albany Park and Avondale have more rental housing than Jefferson Park, for instance.

How do you explain Belmont Central, Cragin,Kelvin Park,Kilbourn Park,Belmont Gardens, and Hanson Park then?

[Chicagoland60426]

It just happen that whites don't want to be the minority, that what create white flight in the area. Like the old saying goes '' You can run, but you can't hide''. Its only so many places in the Chicago area, until you will have to accept other people living by you.

[blank check]

Originally Posted by ajolotl

Have racial attitudes changed enough in Chicago where a neighborhood the Ashburn might conceivably maintain a stable racial balance, or is it a foregone conclusion that whites will move out and it will be overwhelmingly African American in the very near future? Driving around the trend seems to be for whites to leave the area, particularly the Wrightwood section on the east side.

I know the history of the south side but don't have a good feel how much racial attitudes have evolved since the 60s/70s. Is there any hope or is the old white flight model still pretty much in play? Same question could go for Evergreen Park just to the south, and then Oak Lawn. Beverly is the only nearby neighborhood where stable integration has been achieved to some extent. I don't see why this model cannot be replicated in nearby communities. Would value some other opinions ...

100% Understandable given that Chicago is the murder capital of the country. Why demonize white people?
Demonize the crazed people running around shooting each other (not white people).

[ajolotl]

I guess I was assuming that not all neighborhoods with non-trivial black populations would have demonized people running around.

Originally Posted by blank check

100% Understandable given that Chicago is the murder capital of the country. Why demonize white people?
Demonize the crazed people running around shooting each other (not white people).

[aragx6]

Originally Posted by blank check

100% Understandable given that Chicago is the murder capital of the country. Why demonize white people?
Demonize the crazed people running around shooting each other (not white people).

God you're so right. How silly of us to forget that no white people commit murder. None whatsoever.

[Humboldt1]

White people do commit murder but are 17 times less likely to do so. This is fact.

[Venom]

But its because of poverty.

[CMartel2]

Originally Posted by Humboldt1

White people do commit murder but are 17 times less likely to do so. This is fact.

Well, somebody is dealing with the problem honestly.

The other side to this coin deals with the question of why there are so many white-Asian mixed neighborhoods that get along just fine. And it seems to hold true that White-Asian and Hispanic-Black work much better together than other pairings.

And a big reason for that is the cultural emphasis on education. I've lived in mixed, young, diverse neighborhoods, but when it comes time to raise a family, I'm gone. I have no intention of raising my kids in substandard schools--often violent substandard schools. The fact of the matter is that as a whole, whites and Asians put a lot more emphasis on education than do Hispanics and Black. And as long as that's the case, the economic and cultural conflicts will continue.

You can pretty much follow test score trends, and the more "diverse" a school is, the worse its performance is going to be on standardized tests and school participation.

[promis1]

Originally Posted by Humboldt1

White people do commit murder but are 17 times less likely to do so. This is fact.

17 times less is quite a significant difference.