Why is Chicago media so parochial? (Detroit, Time: school, colleges, move)

[advocatusdiavoli]

Originally Posted by Nafster

So much for the Chicago "superiority" attitude. Find me a Chicagoan who thinks the city's the capital of the world and I'll find you a Chicago hotdog without relish (i.e., ain't gonna happen)

Take it easy! David Letterman opens his show with: "Live from New York. the greatest city in the world", Do you turn off your TV off immediately after that?

Well, to defend the claim of New York being the capital of the world is easy. It's the largest city in the most powerful country in the world. UN is headquartered there and so is Wall Street, Broadway, Soho, most American publishing houses and most American media outlets. It's the largest regional economy in the world. The "capital of the world" claim is kind of natural, unless of course you would rather London or Paris in that role and argue that point. Chicago being a capital of the world? That would be a hard sell not only in the US but in the world as well.

Originally Posted by Nafster

You come in the Chicago forum, start insulting Chicago and talking about how New York is superior (when nobody here has ever bashed New York... in fact, we love New York), and then call us defensive because we defend our city?

I call you defensive when your only defence is offering a free ride to O'Hare. I call you defensive when your only defense is saying "all big cities are like this". That's defensive. Take it easy and watch Letterman tonight. It's a good show I wish there was one like this produced in Chicago.

[j33]

Hehe. It is rare day when such a perfect embodiment of the blow-hard new yorker stereotype graces our frozen and forgotten shores, we should all bow to his greatness.

My grandfather was from the Bronx, I'm on to you bud, there is no way you're real.

However, I have to admit, you've got trolling down pat. Too bad there isn't money to be made from such, you'd be a millionaire.

[Lookout Kid]

Originally Posted by advocatusdiavoli

The center of NYC is not very appealing? Hm. I think it is Times Square one of the most unique places in the world.

This just proves that you're from Jersey. Hey folks, we've got a Bridge and Tunnel poser here!

I'll bet that I've spent more time in Manhattan than you have... I lived there briefly, and had a long term girlfriend who grew up in Carnegie Hill. Great town--but Times Square is a hell hole for B&T and tourists.

[advocatusdiavoli]

Originally Posted by j33

Hehe. It is rare day when such a perfect embodiment of the blow-hard new yorker stereotype graces our frozen and forgotten shores, we should all bow to his greatness.

My grandfather was from the Bronx, I'm on to you bud, there is no way you're real.

However, I have to admit, you've got trolling down pat. Too bad there isn't money to be made from such, you'd be a millionaire.

Stereotype you are saying? All I did is provide some data and food for thought. I never called anybody any names and kept the conversation on the level. Why do I do it? I have been living in Chicago for three years now and most of this time I was only smiling when heard about great Chicago food, newspapers, architecture, night life etc etc but enough is enough. For me Chicago is an overgrown suburb with mostly exagerrated claims to greatness and complacent, resigned attitude covered by obnoxious superiority complex towards other cities in the region. Besides CBOT and CSO there is nothing that Chicago offers that can't be found in any other large American city, unless of course you want to mention terrible roads, outdated transportation system, high crime and rampant corruption. Are you really proud of those?

[Lookout Kid]

Now the troll has gone to sour grapes whining and crying. It's pathetic to see a man sink to this low. He needs to pick up whatever shred of credibility he has, and just pick a new user name or something.

The original point of this post--that our local Chicago new outlets need to do more to cover national and international events--wasn't such an offensive notion, and I'd guess that many of us Chicagoans agree with this to a point (at least as far as the Tribune is concerned). The troll just went about discussing this the wrong way.

Most great world centers have one newspaper that is read internationally, though I'd argue that there are only three in the U.S.--The Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, and the Washington Post. The next tier, including the Boston Globe, Chicago Tribune, and L.A. Times, is struggling to find an identity right now. All of these newspapers have declined greatly in the last five years, and are in danger of going out of existence.

Chicago does, at least, have Crain's Communications--which includes Crain's Chicago Business, Crain's New York Business, Advertising Age, and a bunch of other lesser known publications (see the list here Crain Communications Inc). And there are a handful of funky little publications dotted througout town. But I don't think anyone is denying that publishing is concentrated in New York, and media are concentrated in New York and L.A. Isn't this obvious to everyone before they ever step on Chicago soil? And the notion that the local newscast should dedicate significant time to national/international issues is laughable. I've seen the local news in New York, and it's nothing special. Personally, I've hated local newscasts in pretty much every city I've ever experienced them in. By rule, they are lousy and full of fluff and bad reporting.

[advocatusdiavoli]

Originally Posted by Lookout Kid

But I don't think anyone is denying that publishing is concentrated in New York, and media are concentrated in New York and L.A. Isn't this obvious to everyone before they ever step on Chicago soil?

It is obvious but rather than restating the fact let's focus on the question how come the third largest city in the US does not not have much to show for in this area? With so many supposedly great colleges with some prominent journalism schools Chicagoland is virtually void of any serious journalism... Why is that? The people of the great, world-class, global city of Chicago do not feel the need to be informed about the events outside of their town? That's parochialism.

PS. Crain's HQ is in Detroit.

[Chicago60614]

Originally Posted by advocatusdiavoli

It is obvious but rather than restating the fact let's focus on the question how come the third largest city in the US does not not have much to show for in this area? With so many supposedly great colleges with some prominent journalism schools Chicagoland is virtually void of any serious journalism... Why is that? The people of the great, world-class, global city of Chicago do not feel the need to be informed about the events outside of their town? That's parochialism.

1) Do you have a clause in your registration that forces you to use the words "world class global city" in every single one of your posts?". I just skimmed through them and it's really funny. Give the statement a break before you wear it out. We all know Chicago is a global city, you don't need to keep pointing it out.

2) What color is the sun in your world?

3) I think you seriously need to just cut whatever strings are keeping you in Chicago and move to New York. You clearly have such tunnel vision your mind won't even let you appreciate any positive aspect of Chicago, and you're desperately searching for any outlet to complain about any and every aspect of Chicago. Regardless of how bizarre, untrue or far fetched as it might be. Some of the things you complain about are common practice in every city in the country. Things such as....local news covering local events.

Obviously you don't want to be here, and not to be rude, but I don't think anyone really wants you here. There is way way way too much bitterness coming from you, and you need to enjoy your 75 years on earth. Make a change.

It's not constructive to keep fighting battles about Chicago with happy people who are choosing to live here. It's rude, disrespectful, and it's not worth anyone's time, including yours.

[advocatusdiavoli]

Originally Posted by Chicago60614

1) We all know Chicago is a global city, you don't need to keep pointing it out.

It's an opinion. What makes Chicago a global city? Parochialism of its media outlets? Broad horizons of its citizens? Do you really put yourself in the same league as Tokyo, London, Paris, Rome or... New York? Based on what?

Originally Posted by Chicago60614

Obviously you don't want to be here, and not to be rude, but I don't think anyone really wants you here.

It is rude. And defensive.

[Nafster]

Originally Posted by advocatusdiavoli

The center of NYC is not very appealing? Hm. I think it is Times Square one of the most unique places in the world. Not far is Hotel Row and Central Park West. Is that non appealing? Ask the real estate agents

Take it easy. Why are you being so defensive? Isn't it okay for someone to criticize NYC? I mean, according to you, you yourselves do it all the time?

[Nafster]

Originally Posted by advocatusdiavoli

It's an opinion. What makes Chicago a global city? Parochialism of its media outlets? Broad horizons of its citizens? Do you really put yourself in the same league as Tokyo, London, Paris, Rome or... New York? Based on what?



It is rude. And defensive.

Nobody thinks Chicago is in the same league as New York City, okay? Do you need that information spoon fed to you from your mommy in a high chair with an extra large bib?

It's ridiculous however, to deny Chicago's global importance because of one apparent New Yorker's (who has a huge stick up his rear apparently) tacky opinions. And the only person insulting an entire region of cities is you. Reading your history of posts, you keep on making mocking comments of the Midwest as a whole, when Chicagoans on this board don't do that. Who's judging an entire region then? Us or you? Get Lost, troll.

And might I add, most New Yorker's love Chicago. And most Chicagoans love New York. If New Yorker's hate Chicago, who has the problem here?