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Old 04-25-2009, 02:30 AM
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u sure?
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Old 04-25-2009, 02:32 AM
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Yep. Ever hear of the South Route Expressway? Most expressway routes were drawn up in the late 20's to late 30's.
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Old 04-25-2009, 02:38 AM
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no no. the dan ryan was built there to seperate robert taylor from bridgeport. its newer than the neighborhoods.
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Old 04-25-2009, 02:46 AM
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The expressway was planned long before Robert Taylor was.
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Old 04-25-2009, 03:04 AM
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not mecessarily, and they couldve changed plans last minute like always anyway

dan ryan was formed in 1962

robert taylor home built in 1962
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Old 04-25-2009, 04:53 AM
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Richard J. Daley made sure the Dan Ryan was moved over half a mile to form a boundary between his neighborhood (Bridgeport) and the Black Belt. A source for this is Mike Royko's 1971 book Boss.
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Old 04-25-2009, 08:46 AM
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What about finally fixing those d...d potholes? Third rim this year....
What about replacing old traffic lights with new ones that have a green left arrow?
What about repainting lines on city streets and highways?
What about creating express bus lanes?

Hopefully this will be done before the city spends money on monorail or another bombastic/out-of-touch-with-reality idea...

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Richard J. Daley made sure the Dan Ryan was moved over half a mile to form a boundary between his neighborhood (Bridgeport) and the Black Belt. A source for this is Mike Royko's 1971 book Boss.
Royko isn't a reliable source, he was a reporter not a historian. He had papers to sell and he enjoyed his celebrity too. He was not above exaggeration and invention in the name of better story telling.

The people of Bridgeport back then didn't need an expressway to keep Black people out of their neighborhood.
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Old 04-25-2009, 10:05 AM
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The only support for this oft-told tale is an unsourced statement in Mike Royko's book Boss.

All of Chicago's radial expressways were planned in the 1930s to run alongside existing railroad lines where they would not require large-scale demolition and divide neighborhoods. (This wasn't possible for the east end of the Congress Superhighway, but Edward Bennett and others strongly argued for the Congress Parkway location anticipated in the Plan of Chicago.) There were three possibilities for an expressway entry into Chicago from the east or south. A lakefront alignment next to the Illinois Central became problematic with the growth of truck traffic in the 1930s, leaving the NYC/RI alignment at State Street or the C&WI alignment at 400W.

The north end was originally planned next to the C&WI, requiring a bizarre jog along 36th Street. In 1956 it was shifted to run next to the Rock Island Line at State Street, the official reason being “better alignment and traffic distribution.”

Looking at this map, I'm hard pressed to see how the final alignment is any better than the original at "walling off" the Black Belt from Daley's Bridgeport. I think the logic of the more direct route is certainly the primary reason, but the 1956 alignment also took advantage of empty urban renewal land and required condemnation of industrial property rather than thousands of homes.


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Part of the problem with McCormick place is the competition from sun-belt areas. They have really expanded space in places like Las Vegas, Phoenix and Orlando. They also have better winter weather. AND the cost of exhibiting is A LOT lower since you do not have the arcane and expensive Union rules to deal with at the sun-belt convention center.
ALL are feeling the effects of the recession.
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