what parts of chicago is considered a white, asian or hispanic ghetto? (Lincoln: violent crime, buying a home)

[andrew61]

Originally Posted by Carantini

little village is not a ghetto, neither is back of the yards or humbolt park. one is a mexicans hood that almost all mexicans would love to live in, like lincoln park/wicker park for whites, one is a puerto rican where the same applies. one is just a mix. If your gonna say those are ghettos cause you dont want to live there, even though mexicans and puertoricans love to live there, then lincoln park is the white gheto.
seriously, whats up with the prejudism?cant we all just get along? what are u gonna do now, throw crime statistics out? I dont care how many people got robbed or murdered on my street and how many happened on your street, its a way of life and its common for most non-lincoln park/wicker park city people.
I actually LOVE living where I live. And so does almost everyone else that lives here. Its city life, its not ghetto cause you call it ghetto. Ghetto is public housing projects, everything is just middle-low income and hispanic and black. And "gangs" just means drug dealers, if you dont get involved with drugs, nothing will happen, with the very very unfortunate exception of the very few innocent people caught in crossfires, which again is a common city life element that probably 70% of Chicagoans know someone who has been murdered.
Thanks.

It depends on how you're defining the term "ghetto". Many people (including, apparently, most who posted on this thread) use the term "ghetto" interchangeably with "slum", as in a bad, rundown neighborhood marked by high crime and other forms of social decay and disorder, but technically that's not quite accurate.

The term "ghetto", as traditionally defined, more accurately denotes a neighborhood that is all one race or ethnic group or socioeconomic group, in other words, a neighborhood that has no real diversity to speak of. Often, the residents live there because they believe they "have" to because of their race or ethnic group or whatever... that they might not be very welcome in other areas. A "ghetto" can also be a "slum", but it doesn't have to be. Conversely, a "slum" isn't necessarily a "ghetto", if the area's population is mixed races and/or ethnic groups.

Therefore, you can have poor black ghettos, rich white ghettos, Hispanic ghettos, Jewish ghettos (as in pre-WWII Europe which is where the term came into being, it was originally an Italian word defining the part of town where Jews were required to live), etc. By the traditional definition, places like Little Village or Canaryville certainly can be defined as "ghetto".

[andrew61]

Originally Posted by Drover

Immediately south of Bridgeport, wedged between Pershing, 51st, Halsted to the west and the railroad tracks to the east. There's actually some pretty nice homes there but on the whole that is one Neanderthal neighborhood.

Egads. I haven't spent any time in Canaryville, so I'll have to take your word for it, but it sounds a lot like the rough white neighborhood where I grew up on Cleveland's West Side.

[Drover]

It's not as rough as it used to be now that the Irish gangs/mafia have faded away (though it still has it issues) , but it's still a strange and insular place. I wouldn't want to be the first one to try to establish a yuppie foothold in Canaryville.

[Chicagoland60426]

Originally Posted by Drover

It's not as rough as it used to be now that the Irish gangs/mafia have faded away (though it still has it issues) , but it's still a strange and insular place. I wouldn't want to be the first one to try to establish a yuppie foothold in Canaryville.

I find this interesting. So Canaryville is basically the last poor/low income white hood left in Chicago. Are there any gangs in the neighborhood?

[Drover]

Interesting footage of Fuller Park (aka "The Black Belt") and Canaryville. Footage of Canaryville starts at 2:35 when he crosses under the railroad tracks. I like how the video author calls the tracks "The Berlin Wall" because the neighborhood goes from black to white literally instantly once you cross those tracks. Ah, good ol' Chicago...


YouTube - My Neighborhood, their Neighborhood

[Drover]

Originally Posted by Chicagoland60426

I find this interesting. So Canaryville is basically the last poor/low income white hood left in Chicago. Are there any gangs in the neighborhood?

I wouldn't even categorize it as poor or low-income. It's more of a lower-middle-class to middle-class neighborhood. But there are still some roughnecks and roughneck Jr.'s from the days of yore there. I don't know if there are white "gangs" there but cops who work the beat there will tell you that most of the punks they catch selling dope in the parks at night are white.

[skyeINIL]

Originally Posted by Drover

I wouldn't even categorize it as poor or low-income. It's more of a lower-middle-class to middle-class neighborhood. But there are still some roughnecks and roughneck Jr.'s from the days of yore there. I don't know if there are white "gangs" there but cops who work the beat there will tell you that most of the punks they catch selling dope in the parks at night are white.

It's funny how that works. One can apply those same characteristics (lower-middle class to middle class, a few roughnecks, very little violent crime, "light" drug dealing, etc.) to several black neighborhoods on the southside. Yet, the black neighborhoods are described as ghetto and dangerous while Canaryville is seen as just "a bit rough".

This isn't aimed at you, Drover (or any individual on here), nor is it a rant. It's just an observation on how race can "color" one's perception of a neighborhood.

[brainiac138]

Originally Posted by Chicagoland60426

I find this interesting. So Canaryville is basically the last poor/low income white hood left in Chicago. Are there any gangs in the neighborhood?

according to the Chicagogangs.org southside map there are a couple of gangs in the area, one of which is reported to be both Latino and white. I don't know how accurate the info is though.


ChicagoGangs.org Website

[Drover]

Originally Posted by skyeINIL

It's funny how that works. One can apply those same characteristics (lower-middle class to middle class, a few roughnecks, very little violent crime, "light" drug dealing, etc.) to several black neighborhoods on the southside. Yet, the black neighborhoods are described as ghetto and dangerous while Canaryville is seen as just "a bit rough".

This isn't aimed at you, Drover (or any individual on here), nor is it a rant. It's just an observation on how race can "color" one's perception of a neighborhood.

Well I was one of the people who categorized it as a white ghetto. It's definitely a weird and goofy place.

[5Lakes]

Originally Posted by andrew61

Egads. I haven't spent any time in Canaryville, so I'll have to take your word for it, but it sounds a lot like the rough white neighborhood where I grew up on Cleveland's West Side.

You would be correct. Canaryville reminds me of many neighborhoods on Cleveland's west side. It's rough around the edges, but I don't think I would really call it a ghetto.