what parts of chicago is considered a white, asian or hispanic ghetto? (Lincoln: real estate, house)

[Opkl]

Originally Posted by skyeINIL

It's funny how that works. One can apply those same characteristics (lower-middle class to middle class, a few roughnecks, very little violent crime, "light" drug dealing, etc.) to several white neighborhoods on the southside. Yet, the black neighborhoods are described as ghetto and dangerous while Canaryville is seen as just "a bit rough".

This isn't aimed at you, Drover (or any individual on here), nor is it a rant. It's just an observation on how race can "color" one's perception of a neighborhood.

I agree so much. rep point for you!

[scottl333]

Originally Posted by Chicagoland60426

Really? Never knew there are Asian Latin Kings in Chicago. Are the Vietnamese gangs mafias or street gangs?

I heard there is a small Arab gang called the Arabian Posse in Bridgeview so called Arab projects.

The Vietnamese gangs are just gangs and they are around argly and clarke but I wouldnt be surprised if they are used as enforcers for the triads. The Filipino latin kings were in the news about a year or two ago when they were all indicted. Theres a couple of arab gangs. One is the assyian kings. there in roger park area i think. There gangs for every ethnic group basically.

[scottl333]

Originally Posted by skyeINIL

It's funny how that works. One can apply those same characteristics (lower-middle class to middle class, a few roughnecks, very little violent crime, "light" drug dealing, etc.) to several black neighborhoods on the southside. Yet, the black neighborhoods are described as ghetto and dangerous while Canaryville is seen as just "a bit rough".

This isn't aimed at you, Drover (or any individual on here), nor is it a rant. It's just an observation on how race can "color" one's perception of a neighborhood.

well you dont have people getting shot everyday in canaryville like you do in englewood and austin. There is a white gang in canaryville and its called the insane deuces. there all the white boys from canaryville and bridgeport area.

[latikeriii]

Lincoln park used to be a ghetto with primarily Puerto Ricans and Blacks until about 30 years ago or so. My grandmother used to live in LP and was forced out with the first wave of gengrification in the mid-1980s on Clybourn. My mom grew up in Lincoln park and still has friends who never sold their houses even though they could get over a million now.

Anyways, I remember living around 99th street and Torrance on the SE side and when we crossed over to the East of Torrance, one of us had a cap turned to the wrong side. 20 mins later, the white and latino gangmembers chased us with bats and chains back to the west side of Torrance. It was a mob of about 20 of them. I suspect that it is probably close to 100% Hispanic now except for the white own timers that never left. I think its called Vets Park(formally Slag valley). Nice asthetic neighborhood but the kids were definitely ghetto.

[wunderkidchi]

Originally Posted by Drover

Well I was one of the people who categorized it as a white ghetto. It's definitely a weird and goofy place.

Interesting you say that:

Whites are the minority in Canaryville

Canaryville - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Demographics

White 13.1%
Black 35.3%
Hispanic 50.2%
Asian 0.28%
Other 1.13%

[Drover]

Originally Posted by wunderkidchi

Interesting you say that:

Whites are the minority in Canaryville

Canaryville - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Demographics

White 13.1%
Black 35.3%
Hispanic 50.2%
Asian 0.28%
Other 1.13%

LOL, these figures are nonsense on stilts. Canaryville only 13% white? That's absolutely ludicrous.

Canaryville doesn't have its own census tract so I don't know how they'd get such detailed census data on Canaryville. My suspicion is the Wikipedia page you cited just used the data for the entire New City census tract.

[surlycue]

Originally Posted by wunderkidchi

Interesting you say that:

Whites are the minority in Canaryville

Canaryville - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Demographics

White 13.1%
Black 35.3%
Hispanic 50.2%
Asian 0.28%
Other 1.13%

Those are the demo's for New City, the community area Canaryville is in. They include Fuller Park and Back of the Yards, and Englewood too I think. There are definitely more hispanics in Canaryville than there were ten years ago but nowhere near that high a percentage of AA's

[Chicagoland60426]

Originally Posted by wunderkidchi

Interesting you say that:

Whites are the minority in Canaryville

Canaryville - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Demographics

White 13.1%
Black 35.3%
Hispanic 50.2%
Asian 0.28%
Other 1.13%

Canaryville is a small section within the New City community. Those are the stats for the entire New City hood, not Canaryville.

[skyeINIL]

Originally Posted by scottl333

well you dont have people getting shot everyday in canaryville like you do in englewood and austin.

I wasn't comparing Canaryville to Englewood or Austin.

[Chi-town Native]

Originally Posted by latikeriii

Lincoln park used to be a ghetto with primarily Puerto Ricans and Blacks until about 30 years ago or so. My grandmother used to live in LP and was forced out with the first wave of gengrification in the mid-1980s on Clybourn. My mom grew up in Lincoln park and still has friends who never sold their houses even though they could get over a million now.

Lincoln Park was never really a ghetto in the sense that most people think of, unless you are stretching the boundaries to include the old Sedgwick Gardens housing projects, which technically are in the "Near North" neighborhood, not LP.

Lincoln Park was attracting fixer uppers and artists way back in the 60s, simultaneous to an increase in the Puerto Rican population. But although it did have a noticeable Puerto Rican population, it wasn't for long.

Rising rents/property values, rehabs/teardowns etc. led to them moving further northwest fairly quickly, and not really too many black folks at all in LP proper from my experiences going back to the late 70s/early 80s.

I'd highly doubt Lincoln Park ever was majority Puerto Rican & black, census standards don't distinguish well enough to tell, though (anyone got a better site than this: Chicago Area Housing Website - Query - Display Data ?). But there were plenty of Germans and the like who hung on in LP throughout the changes in the 60s.

But those white folks were more of the blue collar variety before the yuppies really moved in (once upon a time this meant "young upwardly-mobile professional," which distinguished career-oriented folks from families, who also may have been white collar to some degree), which wasn't until the early 80s.

My parents moved to Chicago in 67, living a bit north of the Fullerton L stop until buying a home further north. My mom describes Lake View back then as an Irish-Polish ghetto, so, take from that what you will, but I think in general a lot of newbies to the City can get freaked out by the stoop culture, especially if it's teens, who can be viewed as a bit rowdy.

But we had lots of white (and latinos) working in the factories which used to be all over Lake View, and although not what I'd call a gang-infested neighborhood by today's standard, it was certainly not for the feint of heart. Factory workers in our hood tended to drink hard & out in the open, and were fairly crude - something we all just took as part of the deal.

But hey, if I was covered in blood every day from cutting up carcasses, I'd be drinking every night as well. People today also tend to ignore the reality that air-conditioning was a luxury item back then, even if you had one, it was probably just for your bedroom as they cost a fortune to run, it lent itself to people all being outdoors, which meant people all knew each other, something which apparently newcomers can find intimitdating if they don't feel like they are part of that group.

The one universal truth I'd swear by is everybody hates teenagers. Doesn't matter where you are, the Middle east, France, Chicago, the burbs, teenagers are always the devil's plague, with adults forgetting they were once teenagers, and teenagers pretty oblivious to everything beides those who share their raging hormones. Chicago's biggest flaw is there is really nothing to do for teenagers that isn't either illegal or at least frowned at. 4 teenagers in a group, outside, always raises eyebrows.

and cops also pick on white teens in Chicago with a passion (IMO contrary to the idea that kids of color get unfairly targeted due to skin color) - if you're a teen driving a car blasting loud music with a bunch of teens in it, they're looking for a reason to pull you over.

the biggest shift in Chicago I've seen in my life on the north side is that with the old industries gone, all that's left for immigrants/blue collar folks are service jobs. Crappy service jobs, IMO, that haven't kept up with the cost of living. You'd think it might make the kids more prone to see the value of a good education, but it doesn't seem to work that way in the real world. Most of the kids I grew up with struggled as they left CPS schools and found they couldn't make the same wages their parents had with similar education - sort of a mini-Detroit factor, I guess.

back to Canaryville - no, I don't think it's even remotely accurate to put it in the same category as Englewood or the areas of the city that have regular homicides, it's just not that big/populated, and it doesn't have street gangs on the level of those that are 40 years old and running (unless you are one of the people who believes the Chicago Police are just a giant gang). Chicago at its worst was at about 1,000 a year. Compare that to back in the "roaring twenties" gangster period, when homocide counts were a fraction of that. This is why many people are very skeptical of visiting south side/west side areas they aren't familiar with, those numbers don't lie.