Chicago (Charleston, Lincoln, Flossmoor: houses, restaurant, pub)

[CarolinaBredChicagoan]

Originally Posted by notoverhere

I replied to what CarolinaBredBhicagoan (that connard de la journee) had said. The moderator is deleting posts left and right here (Herr Goebbles would be proud), so this goofy board is getting really disjointed.
Don't say there are racists in this city, you must love this overtaxed city 100% don't you know.
No wonder corruption is king here, most of it's inhabitants have their head in the sand.

What? You created an asinine post in which you used the phrase "tow the line". I said something to the effect of "Here's a free lesson: The phrase is 'toe the line'. Not 'tow the line'. There. Never say a Chicagoan never did anything for you."

Then your post got deleted, orphaning my post, so I saved the mods some trouble and deleted it on my own.

So... what's so terrible about what I said, chief?

[Nafster]

The racism BS is just bull.

It exists everywhere. I have not once heard the "n" word spouted out by anyone other than blacks in Chicago. I'm sure they're out there, but Chicago's segregation problems run deep.

Meaning, if you think the reason for those issues is mainly racism, you REALLY need to get a new degree.

[corriellen]

It's pretty obvious that racism is the largest ingredient in the cake of segregation here. Why don't you guys just say "i'm mad at you because you don't like my city" instead of making nonsense arguments. After all, nonsense is why he left this place to begin with.

[j33]

Nobody is taking issue with him for not liking Chicago. There are plenty of reasons not to like it (I could type up a pretty long list that actually has to do with the problems of the city, and have done so in the past, without ridicule). We are taking issue with him because his 'reasoning' for not liking Chicago has very little to do with Chicago.

[RichMonk]

I wouldn't say I hate Chicago...there are things that really get on my nerves though. I don't really get the part about people hating "handsome" people. I generally think I am good looking fella and the only times people have truly been rude to me is on the highways. However, I can understand the stress of driving on poorly designed and outdated highways where jams occur when it starts to drizzle outside.

It also seems to me that the city tends to disregard the needs of the residents. They are second priority to tourism but I suppose that makes sense since tourism really helps to push the economy here.

I generally think most people on Earth are jerks anyway. Whether they are passive-aggressive about it or in your face makes little difference to me. And don't tell me that is just b/c I have lived in the Midwest my whole life. I've been in many different parts the US as well as Europe, Asia and Mexico. There are rude people everywhere.

I have to be careful though, sometimes I do feel like I am hating Chicago. However, I think that has more to do with the fact that I didn't grow up here and I wish for more of the lifestyle of KC or STL that I am comfortable with.

For the most part though, I think Chicago has a lot to offer. I don't think I would stay here for good but I will always come back here and enjoy all the things I love about this city.

[corriellen]

I hope that you're right j33 because I get discouraged easily. I moved here last August and I'm trying to debate whether i should finish school here or in California, or perhaps even New York. Every city has it's badside and I can say a lot bad things about Georgia, where I'm from. Although I have never been to New York. I'm gonna make some premature assuptions about Chicago now. Please prove me wrong! I live in Licoln Park and work in the Gold Coast, mind you. I've met a lot of good people here so don't get me wrong but the addiction to sports bars is washing people's brains. There is a sports bar on every corner. You obviously cant hold a conversation in a sports bar; no real music, just loud comercials on the 20 flat screen tv's. Nead I say more. I havn't "really" met many people my age, with my interests, so it's hard to draw conclusions. But it's hard to talk to people here. The typical conversation with an adverage local never expands past small talk. If you try to take the conversation a little deeper with science, politics or you know, slimulating conversation, then they just stare at you like they are afraid to go there. Like they are afraid to reveal their opinion or their interests. I'm from Georgia and the people there will talk to a stranger about anything whether they understand or even know much about the subject. The people that I've met here who are from California, for example, are a major contrast to those from Chicago. The people here are smart. It just seems like they aren't interested in sharing their knowledge or interest with others, nor obtaining it. The bordom is overwhelming at times. But perhaps these people just aren't interested in anything other than their office job and and sports bars.

Any reccomendations on good bars here, with good music and good beer. I'm having trouble finding a good bar that isn't a sports bar. I mean bars that play songs that made the charts before 1990 and indepent artists who's music never made the Billboard charts after 1990.

BTW Why is the "art community" located in Wicker Park? What's there? I would imagine that anyone who is truely interested in art would appreciate the beauty of the lake and Lincoln Park. So I guess that I'm stuck here surrounded by football and baseball fans. But I like gymnastics.

[jdiddy]

Originally Posted by corriellen

I hope that you're right j33 because I get discouraged easily. I moved here last August and I'm trying to debate whether i should finish school here or in California, or perhaps even New York. Every city has it's badside and I can say a lot bad things about Georgia, where I'm from. Although I have never been to New York. I'm gonna make some premature assuptions about Chicago now. Please prove me wrong! I live in Licoln Park and work in the Gold Coast, mind you. I've met a lot of good people here so don't get me wrong but the addiction to sports bars is washing people's brains. There is a sports bar on every corner. You obviously cant hold a conversation in a sports bar; no real music, just loud comercials on the 20 flat screen tv's. Nead I say more. I havn't "really" met many people my age, with my interests, so it's hard to draw conclusions. But it's hard to talk to people here. The typical conversation with an adverage local never expands past small talk. If you try to take the conversation a little deeper with science, politics or you know, slimulating conversation, then they just stare at you like they are afraid to go there. Like they are afraid to reveal their opinion or their interests. I'm from Georgia and the people there will talk to a stranger about anything whether they understand or even know much about the subject. The people that I've met here who are from California, for example, are a major contrast to those from Chicago. The people here are smart. It just seems like they aren't interested in sharing their knowledge or interest with others, nor obtaining it. The bordom is overwhelming at times. But perhaps these people just aren't interested in anything other than their office job and and sports bars.

Any reccomendations on good bars here, with good music and good beer. I'm having trouble finding a good bar that isn't a sports bar. I mean bars that play songs that made the charts before 1990 and indepent artists who's music never made the Billboard charts after 1990.

BTW Why is the "art community" located in Wicker Park? What's there? I would imagine that anyone who is truely interested in art would appreciate the beauty of the lake and Lincoln Park. So I guess that I'm stuck here surrounded by football and baseball fans. But I like gymnastics.

If you don't like sports bars, you moved to the wrong neighborhood. There are others, you know.

[ERS-One]

Originally Posted by corriellen

I hope that you're right j33 because I get discouraged easily. I moved here last August and I'm trying to debate whether i should finish school here or in California, or perhaps even New York. Every city has it's badside and I can say a lot bad things about Georgia, where I'm from. Although I have never been to New York. I'm gonna make some premature assuptions about Chicago now. Please prove me wrong! I live in Licoln Park and work in the Gold Coast, mind you. I've met a lot of good people here so don't get me wrong but the addiction to sports bars is washing people's brains. There is a sports bar on every corner. You obviously cant hold a conversation in a sports bar; no real music, just loud comercials on the 20 flat screen tv's. Nead I say more. I havn't "really" met many people my age, with my interests, so it's hard to draw conclusions. But it's hard to talk to people here. The typical conversation with an adverage local never expands past small talk. If you try to take the conversation a little deeper with science, politics or you know, slimulating conversation, then they just stare at you like they are afraid to go there. Like they are afraid to reveal their opinion or their interests. I'm from Georgia and the people there will talk to a stranger about anything whether they understand or even know much about the subject. The people that I've met here who are from California, for example, are a major contrast to those from Chicago. The people here are smart. It just seems like they aren't interested in sharing their knowledge or interest with others, nor obtaining it. The bordom is overwhelming at times. But perhaps these people just aren't interested in anything other than their office job and and sports bars.

Any reccomendations on good bars here, with good music and good beer. I'm having trouble finding a good bar that isn't a sports bar. I mean bars that play songs that made the charts before 1990 and indepent artists who's music never made the Billboard charts after 1990.

BTW Why is the "art community" located in Wicker Park? What's there? I would imagine that anyone who is truely interested in art would appreciate the beauty of the lake and Lincoln Park. So I guess that I'm stuck here surrounded by football and baseball fans. But I like gymnastics.

Do a search on this board. I'm pretty sure the answers to your questions are already out there.

[corriellen]

J-diddy. I'm willing to travel for a good bar.

ERS-One, I have already tried that. No luck, kinda exhaustive. Maybe I should start a thread.

[Irishtom29]

Originally Posted by corriellen

J-diddy. I'm willing to travel for a good bar.

ERS-One, I have searched the board already.

Any recomendations?

Do you smoke? I find better conversation in cigar lounges than in taverns.