Chicago (Brookfield, Phoenix: unemployment, scorpion, stats)

[KJAnsia]

Originally Posted by oak999

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Who's a big boy? Who's a big boy?!?!? Yes he is! Yes he is!!! C'mere you! Gotcha! *noogies and rasslin'* All right tiger, is that what you wanted?! Get outta here, ya lil scamp! Okay! Ah...

[Steve-o]

Originally Posted by oak999

I have been to both Chicago and Phoenix (cities and suburbs). The City of Phoenix is MASSIVE cover 3 times the size of the city of Chicago. I find it funny when people talk about "urban". So you like having neighbors living right on top of you like in Chicago? I am sorry I dont and neither do most people either. While its true Phoenix is not perfect (where I am going) I am sick of Chicago and the Chicagoland area. Phoenix here I come!

Am I alone on this thinking? No. The City of Chicago continues to loose population other then some very minor gains. I find it funny up here in the suburbs like Oak Forest that corruption is tolerated and celebrated (true when I live in the City of Chicago too). You bring up Cook County or Mayor Daley and people act as though they are proud they are so corrupt. Are you so proud with the taxes you are paying? Cause corruption comes at a cost.

Are you happy with potholes the size of impact craters from a city and county that does not fix them? Are you happy in Dec, Jan, Feb, and sometimes March when the temps drop below 0 and you can not get your car door open? Or when you can not get out of your driveway because you were plowed in by the snowplows and when you do get out slide down the street.

Chicago is a NYC wannabee thats all it is. In the winter it is in my opinon a toilet bowl. If you want urban and you want the biggest and best go to NYC. Not to get off topic but whenever I have asked the City of Phoenix on issues they have got RIGHT back to me. 5th largest city in the nation and gowing very fast and they treat you like a god. "All American City" 5 times (more then any other city) including 2009 winner. They have a park budget of over 900 million compared to Chicago at 385 million.

So if Chicago is so great why are people moving out of it? How long can you really say "but look--LOOK at that wonderful skyline" before it gets old and say "who cares?" I enjoy the bike riding in Phx on mountains where I do not have to worry about getting hit and killed.

I like many people am done with Chicago its shooting, its corruption, its winters, its infastructure falling apart, its rude people (and its suburbs). I am out of here!

Chicago has its faults, but PHX is FAR worse. Where should we start? Hmmm. You dislike Chicago. I really, really hope you enjoy having to drive everywhere in PHX. If you have to walk, I hope you enjoy 6 months of 100+ degree temps. I hope you enjoy endless, absolutely identical suburbs with virtually no history, pseudo-adobe homes and strip mall Heaven. I hope you enjoy the "downtown" area, Aurora's is more lively. I hope you like the almost complete lack of public transportation. If you like sports youre screwed: you get the Douchebacks, Cardinals, Coyotes and Suns, complete with the most drab, boring stadiums you can imagine (hey, I guess they gotta match the area, right?). I hope you like uh, only whites and Hispanics, thats about all the variety youll get. No Chinatown, Germantown, Little Warsaw, Greektown, etc, etc. No air show, tall ships, beaches, virtually no nightlife in PHX (Scottsdale and Tempe, thats about it). No charming suburbs with nice downtowns... you get Lowes, Taco Bell, Quiznos, etc, for the most part. What else? You get scorpions, rattlesnakes, black widows, mountain lions, cockroaches, roof rats, and giant centipedes, too! Homes so cheap that you can literally punch right through the exterior walls and comfy gravel yards for the kids to play in. Forget the parks in summer, the kids will fry like an egg. Dust storms, haboobs, flash floods, insane lightning and wind accompany the hot (and humid) monsoon season. Forget endless choices of world cuisine as well. And the topper? I hope you dont have kids, if so theyll be subjected to the absolute worst ranked school system in the nation. Yep, Arizona wrestled the "honors" from Mississippi this year, voted the worst school system in teh 50 states.

I happen to love Arizona, but the cities there are just BLAH. Shame, that. The state would be nice to live in if there was a city that was just a shade more interesting than a monotone documentary about mold.

So please, keep thinking the grass is greener on the other side, most will tell you it isnt.

[oakparkdude]

Steve, you should check out arizona-sucks.com.

[Grandata]

Scottsdale Sucks | Scottsdale, Arizona

[Lookout Kid]

Originally Posted by oak999

I have been to both Chicago and Phoenix (cities and suburbs)

Congratu-****ing-lations.

[Steve-o]

Originally Posted by sukwoo

Steve, you should check out arizona-sucks.com.

Oooooh, thats a great site. I might as well have written it myself.

This fits parts of Scottsdale/Tempe PERFECTLY:

"Drinking – people in Arizona love their alcohol and love blacking out even more. Many in Arizona average more nights per week of binge drinking than your typical college student. It is a common sight to see a middle-aged man passed out on the pavement here, while his wife stumbles into a cab with some young, drunk frat boy. The typical Arizona got-to-look-rich attitude really shows at the bars. Grown men and women show up wearing the same style clothes as the rest of the 20-somethings. The men are adorned in wrinkled dragon shirts and bleached hair, while the women are sporting outfits that might have fit appropriately 20 years ago. And they all love yelling about how much money they are making on real estate or the stock market or their successful business and they love bragging about how drunk they are and how much alcohol they have bought that night. Reality usually sets in right about the time they stumble back to their early 90s Toyota Camry and weave their way home to their overpriced, dangerous, high-crime, lawn-chair furniture, luxury apartment in Scottsdale.

So – if you want to spend day-after-day shopping, followed by dinner at a restaurant filled with loud and obnoxious idiots, and then feel like heading out and getting absolutely hammered while showing off your new dragon t-shirt, then Arizona might just be the place for you."

[oak999]

Originally Posted by Milwaukee City

You can? that's news to me!

Gang crime up in Phoenix as police brace for spillover from Mexican drug wars - Phoenix Business Journal:

Ok I will start with you. PHX has lower crime in EVERYTHING but kidnappings. The reason? PHX is a major corridor for illegal immigrants but here is the thing. They do not stay in PHX. They are comming to Chicago because PHX has immigration laws in place as well as Maricopa County and Arizona. Example. Picked up for a crime in PHX you are checked if you are legally in the country. Picked up in Chicago you are never checked.

When a human smuggler holds a illegal immigrant that is considered kidnapping. But remember they are comming here to chicago. Many are not staying in PHX. Some estimates have put chicago 2nd in the nation for illegal immigrants.

"SIERRA VISTA — An illegal immigrant with ties to a Chicago street gang was arrested by U.S. Border Patrol Agents at the Willcox Station on Jan. 3.

The 26-year-old male, whose name was not released, was identified as an active member of the violent Chicago street gang Spanish Gangster Disciples, Drake and Lawrence Faction, a press release stated. Border Patrol Agent Mike Scioli said the gang tries to unite all Latinos in Chicago and has ties with Mexican Mafia, the most notorious and largest gang with more than 800,000 members."


" News : Gang member arrested by border agents : Sierra Vista, AZ

[Steve-o]

Originally Posted by oak999

Ok I will start with you. PHX has lower crime in EVERYTHING but kidnappings. The reason? PHX is a major corridor for illegal immigrants but here is the thing. They do not stay in PHX. They are comming to Chicago because PHX has immigration laws in place as well as Maricopa County and Arizona. Example. Picked up for a crime in PHX you are checked if you are legally in the country. Picked up in Chicago you are never checked.

When a human smuggler holds a illegal immigrant that is considered kidnapping. But remember they are comming here to chicago. Many are not staying in PHX. Some estimates have put chicago 2nd in the nation for illegal immigrants.

"SIERRA VISTA — An illegal immigrant with ties to a Chicago street gang was arrested by U.S. Border Patrol Agents at the Willcox Station on Jan. 3.

The 26-year-old male, whose name was not released, was identified as an active member of the violent Chicago street gang Spanish Gangster Disciples, Drake and Lawrence Faction, a press release stated. Border Patrol Agent Mike Scioli said the gang tries to unite all Latinos in Chicago and has ties with Mexican Mafia, the most notorious and largest gang with more than 800,000 members."


" News : Gang member arrested by border agents : Sierra Vista, AZ

Uh-oh, here he goes... finding a few mole hills and making mountains out of them. I wonder what will come of this.

[oak999]

Originally Posted by Steve-o

Chicago has its faults, but PHX is FAR worse. Where should we start? Hmmm. You dislike Chicago. I really, really hope you enjoy having to drive everywhere in PHX. If you have to walk, I hope you enjoy 6 months of 100+ degree temps. I hope you enjoy endless, absolutely identical suburbs with virtually no history, pseudo-adobe homes and strip mall Heaven. I hope you enjoy the "downtown" area, Aurora's is more lively. I hope you like the almost complete lack of public transportation. If you like sports youre screwed: you get the Douchebacks, Cardinals, Coyotes and Suns, complete with the most drab, boring stadiums you can imagine (hey, I guess they gotta match the area, right?). I hope you like uh, only whites and Hispanics, thats about all the variety youll get. No Chinatown, Germantown, Little Warsaw, Greektown, etc, etc. No air show, tall ships, beaches, virtually no nightlife in PHX (Scottsdale and Tempe, thats about it). No charming suburbs with nice downtowns... you get Lowes, Taco Bell, Quiznos, etc, for the most part. What else? You get scorpions, rattlesnakes, black widows, mountain lions, cockroaches, roof rats, and giant centipedes, too! Homes so cheap that you can literally punch right through the exterior walls and comfy gravel yards for the kids to play in. Forget the parks in summer, the kids will fry like an egg. Dust storms, haboobs, flash floods, insane lightning and wind accompany the hot (and humid) monsoon season. Forget endless choices of world cuisine as well. And the topper? I hope you dont have kids, if so theyll be subjected to the absolute worst ranked school system in the nation. Yep, Arizona wrestled the "honors" from Mississippi this year, voted the worst school system in teh 50 states.

I happen to love Arizona, but the cities there are just BLAH. Shame, that. The state would be nice to live in if there was a city that was just a shade more interesting than a monotone documentary about mold.

So please, keep thinking the grass is greener on the other side, most will tell you it isnt.

Actually Phoenix has a history that Chicago could only hope to have. People have been living in what today is Phoenix for nearly 2000 years before Christ. The hohokams had a village of more then 50,000 people in what today is downtown phoenix. The city of phoenix is one of the only cities in the country to employ two full time archaeologists. Thats where the name came from. It was a new city from a ancient civilization from the ashes. The settlers in the 1830s just moved into the buildings the hohokams (the ancient people) left.

Through the 1850s PHX was a wild west town with shootouts on Wiskey Row saloons. So to say PHX has no history is understated.

PHX on transportation. Light rail was over a 2 billion dollar project done down there that is still not complete--still growing. It does not use broke down cars like CTA but top of the line state of the art units. The City of Phoenix also has rapid transit buses just like Pace and CTA.

The weather. You really do not know what you are talking about here. Average highs for each month. Jan 67, Feb 76, Mar 76, Apr 85, May, 94, June 105, Jul 107, Aug 105, Sep 99, Oct 88, Nov 75, Dec 70. Also hot weather in Chicago is also very humid so to compare the two PHX with no humidity to Chicago at high humidity is not fair. I have been down there when its 105 and its really not bad. You do not feel sticky like up here. 110 is hot no matter what!

Downtown PHX. In case you did not know the City of Phoenix has some big projects going up. Although they are not like the sears tower they are big. PHX was looking to put up a 100 story building few years back and the outrage over it was pretty big. Most companies headquartered in Phoenix are in low profile buildings even though the downtown is building very fast. I could not disagree with you more that the downtown area of PHX is terrible. It was in the past but it is building and more activities are happening there.

"You get scorpions, rattlesnakes, black widows, mountain lions, cockroaches, roof rats, and giant centipedes, too!"

Now I really do know you have no idea what you are talking about. Mountain lions are native to Illinois do you see them here? The fact of the matter is unless you go WAY out you are very unlikely to encounter a scorpion. Sure there are stories "my aunt got bit" but thats what they are stories. The D-Back rattler is also not a animal you are going to encounter unless you go out in the wilderness. Newsflash for you. There are many predators in Cook County forest preserves too you need to be careful of.

Again the cuisine is picking up. You also make mention of no other people but whites and latinos. There are a number of gowing asians comming in from California but you also fail to see that there is a big group of people there that have a lot of culture. Native Americans!

As for you very ignorant remarks about the houses you should check out the link below. These are some of the many many historic neighborhoods of the City of Phoenix. These homes date from 1880s-1950s

Alvarado
Located along the intersection of Monte Vista and Alvarado roads, extending north to the Oak Street alignment, east to Third Street and south towards Palm Lane.
November 1992 (Period of Significance: 1907-1933)
Ashland Place
Generally located along Hoover, Vernon and Ashland avenues between Central Avenue and Third Street.
May 1992; boundary expansion January 2003 (Period of Significance: 1920-1940)
Brentwood
Generally bounded by 16th to 20th streets, Culver Street and the alley north of Brill Street.
April 2003 (Period of Significance: 1926-1956)
Campus Vista
Generally bounded by Thomas and Osborn roads, Seventh and 15th avenues.
April 2003 (Period of Significance: 1939-1956)
Cheery Lynn
Bounded by Flower Street, Earll Drive, 16th Street and Randolph Road.
February 1994 (Period of Significance: 1928-1945)
Coronado
Generally bounded by Seventh to 14th streets, Virginia Avenue and the alley north of McDowell Road.
November 1986; boundary adjustment January 2000
(Period of Significance: 1907-1942)
Country Club Park
Generally bounded by Thomas Road, Virginia Avenue, Dayton Street and the alley west of Eighth Street.
January 1993 (Period of Significance: 1939-1946)
Del Norte Place
Bounded by Virginia Avenue, Encanto Boulevard, 15th and 17th avenues.
July 1993 (Period of Significance: 1927-1945)

Earll Place
Generally located along Earll Drive and the north side of Pinchot Avenue between 16th and 18th streets.
April 2003 (Period of Significance: 1927-1942)
East Alvarado
Generally located along Alvarado Road between Third and Seventh streets.
May 1992 (Period of Significance: 1929-1942)
East Evergreen
Generally bounded by Third and Seventh streets, McDowell Road and the alley south of Willetta Street.
November 1999 (Period of Significance: 1909-1929)
Encanto-Palmcroft
Generally bounded by Seventh to 15th avenues, McDowell Road and the northern boundary of Encanto Park and Golf Course.
March 1987; boundary expansions June 1999, September 2005 (Period of Significance: 1920-1952)
Encanto Manor (144kb PDF,
Generally bounded by Thomas Road and Windsor, Seventh and 15th avenues.
February 2006 (Period of Significance: 1945-1959)
Encanto Vista
Bounded by Windsor Avenue, Encanto Boulevard, Seventh and Eighth avenues.
April 2003 (Period of Significance: 1943-1953)
Fairview Place
Bounded by McDowell Road, Encanto Boulevard, 15th Avenue and the alley west of 17th Avenue.
February 1994 (Period of Significance: 1928-1948)
F.Q. Story
Generally bounded by McDowell Road, Roosevelt Street, Seventh and 17th avenues.
March 1988; boundary adjustments March 2000, January 2004 (Period of Significance: 1921-1942)
Garfield
Generally bounded by Roosevelt, Van Buren, Seventh and 16th streets.
April 1989 (as Victoria Place Historic District); December 2001 (as Dennis Addition Historic District); December 2002 (as Garfield Place Historic District); district consolidation, expansion and name change February 2005; boundary adjustment November 2005 (Period of Significance: 1883-1942)
Idylwilde Park
Bounded by 11th and 12th streets, Weldon and Fairmount avenues.
June 1991 (Period of Significance: 1928-1941)
La Hacienda
Generally located along Verde Lane and Catalina Drive between Third and Seventh streets.
April 2003 (Period of Significance: 1926-1954)
Los Olivos
Generally located along Monte Vista Road between Third and Seventh streets.
December 2003 (Period of Significance: 1906-1935)
Margarita Place
Bounded by Thomas Road, Windsor Avenue, 15th and 16th avenues.
October 1999 (Period of Significance: 1927-1949)
Medlock Place
Generally bounded by Seventh and Missouri avenues, the alley west of Central Avenue and the alley south of Pasadena Avenue.
April 2003 (Period of Significance: 1926-1956)
North Encanto
Generally bounded by Osborn Road, Thomas Road, 15th Avenue and the alley west of 18th Avenue.
December 2002 (Period of Significance: 1939-1950)
North Garfield
Generally bounded by Interstate 10, Roosevelt Street, Seventh Place and 16th Street.
June 1997 (as Diamond Street Historic District); December 2002 (as Moreland Street Historic District); district consolidation, expansion and name change February 2005 (Period of Significance: 1887-1942)
Oakland
Generally bounded by Grand Avenue, 19th Avenue, Van Buren Street and the alley north of Fillmore Street.
September 1988; boundary expansion June 2006 (Period of Significance: 1887-1951)
Phoenix Homesteads
Consists of two irregular shaped areas situated north of Thomas Road, south of Osborn Road, between 26th and 28th streets.
January 1990 (Period of Significance: 1935-1937)
Pierson Place
Generally bounded by Camelback Road, Grand Canal, Central and Seventh avenues.
November 2005 (Period of Significance: 1924-1956)
Roosevelt
Generally bounded by McDowell Road, Fillmore Street, Central Avenue and Seventh Avenue.
September 1986; boundary adjustments October 1991,
December 1997, November 2004 (Period of Significance: 1895-1930)

Roosevelt Park
Generally bounded by Seventh and Ninth streets, Old Southern Avenue and the alley north of Southern Avenue.
March 2003 (Period of Significance 1924-1942)
Villa Verde
Bounded by 19th and 20th avenues, the alley north of Monte Vista Road and the alley south of Granada Road.
January 1999 (Period of Significance: 1928-1940)
Willo
Generally bounded by First and Seventh avenues, McDowell Road and the alley north of Edgemont Avenue.
July 1990; boundary expansion June 2006 (Period of Significance: 1910-1950)
Windsor Square
Generally bounded by Central Avenue, Seventh Street, Camelback Road and the alley north of Oregon Avenue.
July 1996 (Period of Significance: 1912-1945)
Woodland
Generally bounded by Seventh and 16th avenues, Van Buren Street and the alley north of Adams Street.
February 1989; boundary expansion December 2002 (Period of Significance: 1880-1935)
Woodlea
Generally located along Mackenzie Drive, Heatherbrae Drive and the south side of Glenrosa Avenue between 15th Avenue and the alley west of Seventh Avenue.
January 1999 (Period of Significance: 1928-1949)
Yaple Park
Bounded by Turney Avenue, Grand Canal, Third Avenue and the alley east of Seventh Avenue.
June 1997 (Period of Significance: 1928-1940)

Historic Districs in Phoenix Arizona

[mmcgirk3]

"As far as % of city ghetto and % of city homeless, Chicago does not compare to Detroit"--some moron

Great. We're not as bad as Detroit? What a ringing endorsement.
The list was tongue in cheek. Leave it to the dolts here to point out the exaggerations and sarcasms as "inaccurate." Nothing but cold hard facts then?? OK! Chicago is losing population and their are no true seasons anymore.