Why do so many threads end up discussing race? (Chicago: to live in, move)

[JoeyPants]

Originally Posted by KevinB74

They don't need to go anywhere but I'm not going to allow them to "take over" and put up with their racism, either. If you're a white liberal then you need to grow a sack and open your eyes to the big picture. If you aren't white then you're racist for saying "It is what it is" instead of encouraging many blacks and Latinos to stop acting like lowlifes and to make something of themselves rather than being a drain on the wallets of hard-working people. A lot of Latinos especially have been walking around overly cocky and if they think that they are going to take over this country without any resistance, they are dead wrong.

Besides whine and cry, what have you been doing to stop the "take over" Do you really think that posting on here is making a difference? Do you really think that your tea bagging parties makes an ounce of difference? Seriously, what are you doing, besides ranting.

[Chicagoland60426]

Originally Posted by fairmarketvalue

Wow, it's amazing how these couple of threads have turned! First the one titled "female safe in Pilsen", and then "Chicago's gang problem" with the particular video featuring a guy labeled "pilsen's finest" takes the cake.

And my honesty in one of these threads labeled me as a "self loathing Mexican", I believe, because I am honest enough to understand the faults of my own kind and not really want to be labeled as the same?

As to this comment about housing- those of you who know me through city data, know I am primarily on here due to real estate so I found it too irresistible to respond to this particular post to say that I ABSOLUTELY agree! Home values are weighed by many factors, but certainly the community, schools, and household income level are driving forces.

So as a "Mexican" (remember, actually Spaniard who grew up in MX), living in a predominantly white community (although in the 18 years we've lived here, see much more "diversity" than in earlier years), with a white wife and 4- 1/2 white, 1/2 Spanish blooded children, I can well afford my expensive home, love our community, and have never faced any prejudice of any kind, period. Now, however, if I brought several family members (aunts, uncles, cousins, and a few chickens in the back yard as a bonus) into my 4bd, 4bth home in Wheaton, IL, and had multiple cars sitting in the driveway, then probably would face some issues.

And guess what- I wouldn't fault anyone who would show their prejudice against me if I did do those things and I'd be pissed, as I agree this would be unacceptable to live next to, on any given day! So if that makes me ashamed of my own kind, once again, then so be it. Sometimes the truth hurts. But a bigger hypocracy is to get all defensive and act like you are insulted by the mere mention of the reasons we still have segregation. I don't believe whites (or better to say-mutts, since most whites have a multitude of races in them) segregate from other races. I believe it's the other way around! Other races segregate themselves, stating they are "being loyal to their culture" by choosing to live among their own. OK, if you say so! Anybody still think the Hispanic families who live in Pilsen would make fine, safe, wonderful neighbors? Go live there, then. I choose to be here, among my "own kind"; middle/upper class, great schools, great people community. My culture and my loyalty to it is still in check- just not in the tacky form you all have come to expect from most of us! And I don't see Oprah fleeing to the south side of Chicago to "be among her own" either. But then, her own will accuse her of "wanting to be white or act white"; you hear it all the time. Shameful, really! I'm quite sure she's incredibly proud to be black, but not incredibly proud of some of her "own kind", as Bill Cosby has said often! This, my friends, is why so many discusisons turn to race!

African Americans been segregated in Chicago ever since we came up here from states like Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana in the early 1900s. Back then, Chicago housing policies was bogus against certain groups of people. So one of the few places AAs could settle in was Bronzeville(The first AA neighborhood in Chicago). Then years went by AAs spread all over the southside during the peak of white flight. That is why there are so many blacks highly concentrated on the southside.

There was a survey that said blacks are more willing to live in a fairly integrated neighborhood than whites.

[JoeyPants]

Originally Posted by KevinB74

You're worse than I thought if you believe that they should be allowed to stay and have babies whenever they want that are funded by the tax dollars of hard-working people. There are bad white people too but the percentage of bad people per population in the black and Hispanic populations is much worse because many of them are raised differently and by single parents in many cases.



I haven't been "whining" about anything. I've been making points just like you've been. I'm only one person so I can't stop the takeover alone and that's why Europeans in this country need to align together at least for the time being instead of being divided into liberals vs conservatives.
If we don't then we won't have a future in this country and we'll all be forced to learn Spanish and forced to adapt to the Mexican way of life. I'm not a fan of Mexican culture with the exception of some of the food so I plan on joining anyone who wants to stand up to our government if it comes to that.

Maybe you and fairmarket can hang out, you both seem to share a hatred for the Mexican culture. That is if you are able to get past him being "Mexican".

[Chicagoland60426]

Originally Posted by KevinB74

And I wonder why that is. Could it be that many whites are threatened by gangs and other people and are told to "be gone" when they attempt to move into predominantly black or Hispanic areas like Humboldt Park while blacks and Hispanics don't encounter much resistance for the most part when they move into predominantly white areas? Blacks and Hispanics may deal with some stares when they move into majority white areas but they don't have to deal with threats from people for the most part. Also, most gangbangers are black or Hispanic so you can't blame whites for showing caution when we see people with baggy pants and baseball caps to the side moving in. Many white people don't want their kids to be around drugs, gangs etc and I don't blame them.

Did you forget that quick that the first gangs in Chicago were whites(Italians, irish)?And there was a strong white gangs force in Chicago until the 80s. Black and latino gangs didn't come into the picture until the late 50s & 60s. Part of the reason is because of the racial tensions in Chicago back then. And White people do move into black and latino neighborhoods, its call gentrification. lol

Blacks & latinos received enough threats from whites in the past to remember for a lifetime. And if they its not threatening, they show their attitude by moving. Hint: White flight
My grandparents moved to Harvey(from Chicago) back in the 1960s and they actually had their house built. And even back then, they witness white families moving out the neighborhood from what they told me. I admit that the black community have problems, but not all of us are scary people.

[Opkl]

Originally Posted by KevinB74

You're worse than I thought if you believe that they should be allowed to stay and have babies whenever they want that are funded by the tax dollars of hard-working people. There are bad white people too but the percentage of bad people per population in the black and Hispanic populations is much worse because many of them are raised differently and by single parents in many cases.

I was talking about the part I had in bold font.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by Irishtom29

Those rich, big shot businessmen are liberals?

That place is right across the street from my school. There were times I could barely get to class because Barack "Man of the People" Obama was doing a $5,000-per-plate fundraiser there and the police had the whole block on lockdown. "Rich big-shot businessman" and "liberal" are not oxymorons. Ask George Soros. Or the people who ponied up at those fundraisers.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by JoeyPants

Seems like half of the posts, maybe more, end up in some type of discussion about race. Usually trashing minorities in some shape or form. Are Chicagoans that racist?

It could be that Chicagoans are that racist.

Or it could be that in a city that is approximately 1/3rd each of white, black and Hispanic, race issues are inevitably going to come to the forefront. We have a dialog about race because it's an acknowledgment that we still have not resolved lingering issues of race. In a city where effectively everyone is a minority, we have to at least hear each other out and try to sort through those issues if we're going to function as a city. Consider other places where the race dialog is not quite as loud or contentious:

• Seattle, where they think they've hit a home run on the race issue because race discussions are rarely contentious, when in fact they've barely stepped up to the plate because Seattle has never had to cope with large influxes of traditionally underclass minorities;
  
  
• Madison, where the small percentage of minorities who try to get a hearing for their concerns are verily drowned out by the sound of everyone else congratulating themselves for being so progressive and inclusive and patting themselves on the back because it's so wonderful how everyone all gets along;
  
  
• Pittsburgh, where 70% of the population is white and the black community has no leadership or power brokers, so the city can simply go about its business without a care in the world what the minority population thinks because they're powerless to do anything about it.

For better or worse, race still matters and we are still sorting out historic, economic and social issues related to race. Just because we acknowledge and discuss that reality here does not make us anomalously racist. Don't be fooled into thinking that a place where race is part of a frequently contentious dialog is more racist than a place where race is hardly discussed at all. In the latter case, it is often so because nobody wants to openly address it or because there are so few minorities that nobody feels the need to address it. But once minorities start moving to those cities in en masse, especially underclass minorities, you can bet they'll start talking about it.

[SJaye]

Originally Posted by Drover

• Madison, where the small percentage of minorities who try to get a hearing for their concerns are verily drowned out by the sound of everyone else congratulating themselves for being so progressive and inclusive and patting themselves on the back because it's so wonderful how everyone all gets along;

Having previously lived in Madison, and gone to public forums in the city, I find this comment hilarious. It gets even weirder than that, as some people stand up in these forums just to inform the congregation of something completely unrelated to the topic at hand, like how much they love going into Lake Mendota in the summer with their three daughters. Having experienced this, I am glad to be living in Chicago now, where as frustrating as all of the issues we face can be sometimes, at least it is all REAL, and not some psuedo-reality where we live our lives with no understanding of how the world really works!

[icebergsyndrome]

You know, when I talk to my friends about me reading this forum I explain that I enjoy getting my "daily dose of racism and bigotry." It's mixed in with good, pointed insight into the character of various neighborhoods by a few posters (maybe 10 or 12 consistently good posters).
However, this latest wave of trolls has thrown the equation by the wayside. Still good for a laugh.

Sincerely,
your local liberal, tight-trouser-wearing, bike-riding, treating-stop-signs-as-yields, grew-up-in-the-suburbs-but-moved-to-the-city, non-citizen-Hispanic-immigrant

[jdiddy]

Originally Posted by Gioobag

The younger generation as exemplified by Obama, has taken the racial spoils game/system to a new level. I just don't know what it is you see out there. Look at Sotomayor, she ruled against White fireman because she's a RACIST, and the Supreme Court had to overrule her just 1-2 weeks ago!! Incredibly, now she's joining the body that refuted her. It's sick.

Things are getting worse.

Every non-white in this world thinks like me, the only people who do not are liberal white dupes led around by cultural judeo-marxist intellectuals, who for sure know this stuff. The only people who are even conversant in these issues, know enough about it to intelligently discuss it, are non-whites.



Boy, you said a mouthful right there. White people hate each other for the kind of music they listen to, the clothes others wear, or the brand of car they drive. All petty BS reasons.

The liberal whites are indeed a symptom of a deep sickness. What's the disease? That's the first question to deal with, or we'll all be living a Brazil-like hell within our lifetimes. I already am. Tonight I was at a red light at Milwaukee and Division. Next time, just take a look at the pathetic slice of humanity in that park, on all the surrounding sidewalks too. All the people's shapes, sizes, colors, fat people clothes, crappy haircuts, bad postures, idiotic facial hair, fat slob women, ambiguous nationalities from some third world locale, no class, etc. You actually see some liberal white dupes that voluntarily hang in that milieu!!

It's like out of the Star Wars bar. Ugly. There really has been a loss of beauty in this nation. I should videotape it and put it on youtube.

Someone should try and find a photo of that intersection in 1928 and 1965, and I'd bet all the people were thin and dressed up, oh and White European too.

You've got issues.

Most of the rest of the responses in here have actually been pretty good. But I think Drover hit the nail on the head. Very well stated, as usual.