Alert: Attacks in Lincoln Park and Lake View (Chicago, Roscoe: real estate, violent crime)

[lenniel]

Originally Posted by PokerPlayer1

Another attack, today, in Lincoln Park.
Another Man Attacked, Beaten In Lincoln Park, After 4 Similar Attacks - cbs2chicago.com

So, anyone think a gun wouldn't work with these asholes?
I mean, one guy with a bikelock makes the gesture that he's gunna put a fight- with a ****ing bike lock- and they back down.
Nice to see that not everyone in Lincoln Park is an enormous pansy, though (yeah, even though he gave up the goods, he still had the sack to fight). Good on this guy. Maybe there's still a bit of 'the Chicago way' left up there.

Ha ha, that's exactly what I thought when I read that he threw his $137 at them AND THEN decided to whip out the bike lock. Something tells me this guy is trying to save some face and not look like a pus*sy but telling the media he fought back. Glad he didn't get hurt but the thugs still won in this case.

I agree though, if he had a gun, the thugs would think twice about mugging someone tonight.

[Chicago60614]

There's a CAPS meeting I'm going to tonight at Nookie's on Halsted and Buckingham. Then walking north up Halsted.

It's to try and make people aware of everyone that's been getting jumped in Boystown this summer as well. I had two friends jumped on Roscoe right west of Halsted, a friend jumped on Buckingham west of Halsted, three bar workers have been jumped in the area between Broadway and Halsted this summer, and then the guy on Monday night was jumped right on Halsted and Buckingham.

Those are the only people that I've personally known of (except the last guy was in the paper), but I know there have been a few more from talking to friends who own bars along the street.

[rockinrolla]

Originally Posted by PokerPlayer1

...When the victim knows that they have means at their disposal to effectively defend themselves, it's likely that their response to the attack would progress very differently than just "curl up and hope they don't kill me".

...If I'm out walking at night and get blindsided (and lets hypothetically say that I don't care about Chicagos asinine anti self defense laws and carry a gun anyway), I'm gaining as much distance as I can while simultaneously retrieving my defensive firearm.
If I'm on the ground, then I'm in the fetal position and absorbing the blows as best I can, until I roll over and empty on them. They will NOT get my firearm, they WILL be shot, period...

Poker, I don't you story, so don't want to totally discount what you're saying. But again, unless you're train for these type of situations where your responses are instinctive and ingrained in muscle memory, it's highly unlikely your above scenario would play out this way.

You're human, your physiology is like everybody else's. Your mind requires time, however brief, to recognize and react. One good punch to the back of the head before you know what's up, and it's already to late...and that's even without having to overcome the adrenaline dump enough to have the fine motor control to draw your weapon, thumb off the lock, etc.

[rockinrolla]

Originally Posted by PokerPlayer1

Another attack, today, in Lincoln Park.

So, anyone think a gun wouldn't work with these asholes?
I mean, one guy with a bikelock makes the gesture that he's gunna put a fight- with a ****ing bike lock- and they back down.
Nice to see that not everyone in Lincoln Park is an enormous pansy, though (yeah, even though he gave up the goods, he still had the sack to fight). Good on this guy. Maybe there's still a bit of 'the Chicago way' left up there.

From what I hear, this is a copycat crime, with the MO different. And, this is exactly what I was referring to. The guy with the bike lock wasn't jumped from the back but was rather approached by his attackers, had the time to size up the situation, had the time to formulate AND execute a plan (toss some cash at them, reason with them, etc.), and had time to change approach (grab hold of his bike lock as a defensive weapon). In this particular situation, yes, a gun would certainly work.

btw, I give this guy huge props. He did exactly what he should have done.

[Irishtom29]

If a having a pistol makes's one feel safer that's reason enough to carry one regardless of statistics, afterall we are individuals and are not slaves to statistics.

In the late 60s when I lived in Austin it was getting pretty rough and my younger brother carried a pistol and it got him out of some scrapes, a couple of which I witnessed, I was glad he carried the thing (a cumbersome but VERY intimidating .455 Webley British service revolver).

Some basic streetsmarts are called for; checking behind you, checking likely ambush spots and putting on the "aspect of the tiger" when passing shady characters. One wonders how many people in Lincoln Park have such streetsmarts. Were I gonna rob people I'd take a pass on a guy who looks prepared and ready to go and wait for the next mope with a careful beard, a manpurse and Ipod headphones.

[Muppet123]

So 6 people get mugged in Lincoln Park and there is a panic... wow, yuppies are such pussies, glad I moved to the working class neighborhood that is Wicker Park lol

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by Muppet123

So 6 people get mugged in Lincoln Park and there is a panic...

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Originally Posted by Avengerfire

Two out of the six attacks happened in Lake View-at or north of Belmont Ave.

[WhaThe]

Doesn't this stuff go on every summer in LP and LV? Was it last year where the 3 or 4 people where driving around the Halsted & Armitage area? Then jumping out and robbing people with a kitchen knife or something?

[PokerPlayer1]

Originally Posted by rockinrolla

Poker, I don't you story, so don't want to totally discount what you're saying. But again, unless you're train for these type of situations where your responses are instinctive and ingrained in muscle memory, it's highly unlikely your above scenario would play out this way.

You're human, your physiology is like everybody else's. Your mind requires time, however brief, to recognize and react. One good punch to the back of the head before you know what's up, and it's already to late...and that's even without having to overcome the adrenaline dump enough to have the fine motor control to draw your weapon, thumb off the lock, etc.

Many moons ago when I was but a pup, I was in a "life or death" situation where I was jumped by surprise, outnumbered (4-1) and there was no "reasoning" with the attackers. I got put down and socked pretty good a few times, two of them got sliced. They fled.

I know how I personally react in these situations. I don't take time to intellectualize anything, I don't bother to 'size things up'. Maybe it's from having been raised in a rough area, but I don't have any problem recognizing when I'm being attacked and reacting immediately to the threat. Again, there is no overcoming someone who has the drop on you and is able to incapacitate you before you can respond. With that said, if I'm conscious and coherent, they're getting the badger-worst of whatever I have to offer. I may not win but even if not, they'll wish they had picked someone else. Most everyone I know from my neighborhood is like this. Perhaps this sort of mindset is 'confusing' to people from other areas but where I come from, it's standard amongst pretty much everyone with a set of testicles (and a few without them, too)

The gun thing? I shot IDPA and IPSC Limited for a long while. Haven't in some years, but I'd say the 'training' a typical 'C class or above' competitive shooter has with a firearm is 10X superior to any given cop. Maybe 20 or 30X. The flaming irony is that cops often consider themselves authoritative on firearms, when the vast vast vast vast majority of them would be humiliated on a practical course by 12 year old girls who compete on the weekends with their dads.

[PokerPlayer1]

Originally Posted by Drover

You probably wouldn't be surprised to learn he's actually a southsider who was up there visiting friends.

No, it's not surprising at all.
I thought for a minute that maybe there were one or two left in Lincoln Park, but I guess I was wrong. I should've known better than to think that anyoine living above the city's 'pink line' would have it in 'em to give it a go.