Comparing NYC Neighborhoods and Chicago Neighborhoods (Harvard, Princeton: job transfer, public school, colleges)

[SoxCub Fan]

Originally Posted by rosebud17

Not to take sides but i like the chicago style of neighborhoods and how they are spread out to me a little bit better than new york. I pretty much like chicago all around in general just because i like the midwest.

I've always said that Chicago would be a perfect city if we could trade the people here in for New Yorkers. I love Chicago the city but the people who make up this city suck as a whole. Chicago doesnt really have the community spirit and pride that you find in New York...from my time in New York I can honestly say that New Yorkers across the board just seem to be more sophisticated in terms of human relations. The way NY pulled through on 9-11 as a unified front would not have happened here!

[Chi-town Native]

Originally Posted by SoxCub Fan

I've always said that Chicago would be a perfect city if we could trade the people here in for New Yorkers. I love Chicago the city but the people who make up this city suck as a whole. Chicago doesnt really have the community spirit and pride that you find in New York...from my time in New York I can honestly say that New Yorkers across the board just seem to be more sophisticated in terms of human relations. The way NY pulled through on 9-11 as a unified front would not have happened here!

just out of curiosity, in NYC how many people are native New Yorkers as opposed to transplants?

I see NYC these days as sort of the over-achiever capital of America. But it seems like it stopped being a city of neighborhoods a while ago, at least in Manhattan.

Is the Bronx really "sophisticated"?

[chitown85]

Chicagoans are more fiefdom oriented than NYers. NYers may have pride to Brooklyn or Queens, but Chicagoans care more about their particular neighborhood and ethnic group.

[Chi-town Native]

Originally Posted by chitown85

Chicagoans are more fiefdom oriented than NYers. NYers may have pride to Brooklyn or Queens, but Chicagoans care more about their particular neighborhood and ethnic group.

I'm guessing we have more natives, and that these mindsets in the northeast have just been scattered outside the NYC limits. Jersey isn't exactly known as a melting pot beacon of tolerance.

[gag]

I lived in both cities and travel back and forth now.. Trust me, in NY on a budget think only about expense, commute, safety to ease your life. Things like shopping, going to happening places are easily reached by train, bus, car etc. In NYC, in any of the 5 B's, it's more of a street by street thing than here in Chicago, neighborhood by neighborhood. You have to go and be there street by street of a place you're looking at. Price and safety will dictate your ultimate decision. Astoria is a start, Bayside on the low end there, and good areas of Bklyn I know might have too many hipsters for you. Go to the NYC forum and ask Bklyn locals for suggestions there. Hyde Park can't be duplicated there but some areas in BKlyn come closer than Queens. I'm staying on LI in Huntington on business paying $1850/mo for 3 bdrm/2 bath duplex and not bad. Gotta go now. goodluck

[SoxCub Fan]

Originally Posted by Chi-town Native

just out of curiosity, in NYC how many people are native New Yorkers as opposed to transplants?

I see NYC these days as sort of the over-achiever capital of America. But it seems like it stopped being a city of neighborhoods a while ago, at least in Manhattan.

Is the Bronx really "sophisticated"?

Dude dont get offended...New Yorkers are just more advanced than Chicagoans I have lived in both place so trust me on this...there are many reasons for this:

a. The northeast coast is the education hub of the US with schools like Harvard, Princeton, Yale, NYU, etc. and when these people graduate they usually head to NY for careers.

b. NYC is a more worldly and ethnically diverse city than Chicago so the life education provided by the environment creates a broader perspective, and people are more embracing and open to communicating and dealing with people of different cultures. Chicagoans pretty much stick to their race and are absolutely clueless when it comes to any ethnic groups other than their own.

c. New York is more of a limitless culture...where Chicago is more of "play by the rules" kind of city

d. New York's overcrowded population creates intense competition, so education wise and professionally everyone brings their "A" game.

e. NY'ers are very proud people


Even the derelicts in New York have some type of enterprising tactic (wash a window, shine your shoe, bottle recycling) unlike our bums who just beg with a disgusting sense of entitlement.

New York Housing Projects even turns out very successful people which speaks volumes about their education system. And these people aim to leave the projects, where as Chicago families live in housing projects for generations while milking the government for welfare and assistance.

And to answer your question YES parts of the Bronx are sophisticated...its the home of Fordham University which is a damn good school.

[SoxCub Fan]

Originally Posted by gag

I lived in both cities and travel back and forth now.. Trust me, in NY on a budget think only about expense, commute, safety to ease your life. Things like shopping, going to happening places are easily reached by train, bus, car etc. In NYC, in any of the 5 B's, it's more of a street by street thing than here in Chicago, neighborhood by neighborhood. You have to go and be there street by street of a place you're looking at. Price and safety will dictate your ultimate decision. Astoria is a start, Bayside on the low end there, and good areas of Bklyn I know might have too many hipsters for you. Go to the NYC forum and ask Bklyn locals for suggestions there. Hyde Park can't be duplicated there but some areas in BKlyn come closer than Queens. I'm staying on LI in Huntington on business paying $1850/mo for 3 bdrm/2 bath duplex and not bad. Gotta go now. goodluck

Just curious why and how exactly do you live in both cities? Im thinking of attempting this next year because I've been offered a position in NY but I also have business in Chicago.

[rosebud17]

I dont know to me neighborhoods are just less confusing in chicago to me than new york and they just have this look like you dont get in new york for the fact of they are completely if not all of theme surrounded by buildings obviously since chicago does not offer as many buildings you get a break here and there between neighborhoods. Alot of places in the midwest have beutiful neighborhoods now for theme winning as pricy new york will always take the ticket but you have to remember when you go to a city on a certain income and just want a roof over your head chicago apartments and houses from what i saw when i was there last year are not to much bigger or smaller and just as nice to me. I think price is what seperates new york neighborhoods the biggest. When you can get a pinthouse apartment in chicago overlooking lake michigan for not even a comparison price in terms of cheap compared to new york in you actually walk in the apartments and look at theme with the view and everything i think people stop and think why are they so much cheaper.

[Quentin Eistrup]

Originally Posted by SoxCub Fan

I've always said that Chicago would be a perfect city if we could trade the people here in for New Yorkers. I love Chicago the city but the people who make up this city suck as a whole. Chicago doesnt really have the community spirit and pride that you find in New York...from my time in New York I can honestly say that New Yorkers across the board just seem to be more sophisticated in terms of human relations. The way NY pulled through on 9-11 as a unified front would not have happened here!

LOL, what possibilities!

Chicago - Chicagoans + NewYorkers = Toronto! (with maybe a slice of Boston to account for the extra Latin folks)

NYC - NewYorkers + Chicagoans = Los Angeles! (oh, where to begin...from the fact that SoCal was largely settled by these vermin, to Hollywood's covert-racist casting, to...heh heh)

But yeah, if Sears/Willis and John Hancock had been double-teamed one after the other:

The short-term effects would've been more casualties - courtesy of CPD, whom NYPD schools and then some.

The long-term effects would've been the opposite of the lightening and life-affirming effects on NYC, i.e. a gradual downward spiral of city-wide miasma culminating in a mass-shootout that would've dwarved that Haymarket Square thing.

[Quentin Eistrup]

Originally Posted by Chi-town Native

just out of curiosity, in NYC how many people are native New Yorkers as opposed to transplants?

I see NYC these days as sort of the over-achiever capital of America. But it seems like it stopped being a city of neighborhoods a while ago, at least in Manhattan.

Is the Bronx really "sophisticated"?

With all due respect, C-t N - you're one of the finest in this forum alongside Manigault, CarolinaBredChicagoan, ematthais - allow me to address your points:

1) If certain NYC boroughs skew more transplant than native, or vice versa, then certain Chicago "sides" show the same skewing.

Transplant > Native

Manhattan
Brooklyn
Loop and Central Chicago, i.e. not considered north, south, or west
NorthSide

Native > Transplant

Queens
Bronx
SouthSide
WestSide

(I've left out Staten Island, which would correspond to Evanston, Oak Park, and other inner-ring 'burbs had they been annexed.)

2) If Manhattan has ceased to be community-oriented, then so has the Loop and all adjacent environs - River/Near North and South Loop in particular are little more than upper-income enclaves masquerading as 'hoods in the sense that you seem to imply.

3) Where is the West Side's equivalent to Fordham U?