Why is everyone on the northside from michigan? (Chicago, Phoenix: to move, drain)

[dewthedru]

addison and N oak park ave? that considered the north side?

[andrew61]

Originally Posted by dewthedru

addison and N oak park ave? that considered the north side?

That's northwest side, actually. We distinguish "north" from "northwest" based upon which side of the river you're on.

[dewthedru]

ahhh....thanks.

yup. not enough $$ to get a house on the other side of the river. would have loved to but couldn't swing it.

[Toxic Toast]

Originally Posted by randomguymike

Milwaukee & Indianapolis aren't dying nearly as fast as Detroit.

Milwaukee and Indianapolis are not dying at all......

[SJaye]

Originally Posted by Toxic Toast

Milwaukee and Indianapolis are not dying at all......

Agreed! Both are nice cities with multiple vibrant neighborhoods and are good day/weekend trips from Chicago. It's a real asset to us to have them nearby.

[SJaye]

Originally Posted by Tex?Il?

Chicago and Detroit were actually quite similar to each other from about 1910, (when Henry Ford started pumping out the first model Ts through the early '70s when the aftermath of the Race Riots, the leaving of Motown, and the election of Coleman Young, the beginning of foreign car competition, all lead to a domino effect of urban decline, that Detroit has not yet reversed to any meaningful way). Chicago was in danger of going the direction of Detroit, but there was a more stable political environment and a much more diversified economy, although still largely dependent on manufacturing through the 80s.

Chicago was far less dependent on the Automobile industry -- and manufacturing as a whole-- than Detroit. In Detroit, even many of the downtown office jobs are in some way related to the Auto industry (e.g. Chrystler HQs), while in Chicago's downtown there has always been a significant presence from the financial industry (banks, Prudential building, etc.). I do not credit our lousy politicians for preventing Chicago from becoming another Detroit as the machine's ardent supporters repeatedly do. Chicago and Detroit are similar in that hey have similar weather, and somewhat of a similar culture (big Midwest city surrounded by farms/ agriculture, unlike coastal cities), which is probably why so many people from the Detroit area chose to come here as opposed to New York, DC, LA, Miami, etc. when the economic opportunities dried up in Detroit. However, I'd stop giving credit to these lousy politicians; most of whom are or should be in jail. Chicago was more diversified as a city than Detroit, and far less dependent on industries that eventually declined. That is why Chicago is not dying along with Detroit.

[Dport7674]

If I wear a Hawkeyes shirt on the Northside, seems like everyone wants to stop me and tell me they're from Iowa. Then again I've never worn a Wolverines shirt.

[Chicago60614]

^ yeah, I'm an Iowan on the north side. I always get people rolling their eyes when I wear a Hawkeye shirt and half the neighborhood wants to stop by and ask where I grew up. My friends say "WTF? Is there even anyone left in the state of Iowa or is it completely empty now?"

I would say by far the north side is made up of people from:

Suburban Chicago
Indiana
Ohio
Iowa
Michigan

Strangely I very rarely meet people who grew up in Wisonsin. I know in Iowa almost all young people who can afford to move away and have the desire will go to Chicago, Des Moines, Minneapolis, Iowa City and Phoenix.

[SonySegaTendo617]

Originally Posted by Chicago60614

^ yeah, I'm an Iowan on the north side. I always get people rolling their eyes when I wear a Hawkeye shirt and half the neighborhood wants to stop by and ask where I grew up. My friends say "WTF? Is there even anyone left in the state of Iowa or is it completely empty now?"

I would say by far the north side is made up of people from:

Suburban Chicago
Indiana
Ohio
Iowa
Michigan

Strangely I very rarely meet people who grew up in Wisonsin. I know in Iowa almost all young people who can afford to move away and have the desire will go to Chicago, Des Moines, Minneapolis, Iowa City and Phoenix.

That's interesting that younger Iowans only strongly consider Des Moines and Iowa City. I thought Ames, and Cedar Rapids to a lesser extent, were also considered strong magnets for twentysomethings to relocate to in Iowa, but what do I know?

[Tex?Il?]

Originally Posted by SJaye

Chicago was far less dependent on the Automobile industry -- and manufacturing as a whole-- than Detroit. In Detroit, even many of the downtown office jobs are in some way related to the Auto industry (e.g. Chrystler HQs), while in Chicago's downtown there has always been a significant presence from the financial industry (banks, Prudential building, etc.). I do not credit our lousy politicians for preventing Chicago from becoming another Detroit as the machine's ardent supporters repeatedly do. Chicago and Detroit are similar in that hey have similar weather, and somewhat of a similar culture (big Midwest city surrounded by farms/ agriculture, unlike coastal cities), which is probably why so many people from the Detroit area chose to come here as opposed to New York, DC, LA, Miami, etc. when the economic opportunities dried up in Detroit. However, I'd stop giving credit to these lousy politicians; most of whom are or should be in jail. Chicago was more diversified as a city than Detroit, and far less dependent on industries that eventually declined. That is why Chicago is not dying along with Detroit.

Maybe even back then, it was less dependent on manufacturing than Detroit was, but Chicago was still much more dependent on manufacturing for most of the 20th century than San Fran, D.C., NYC (although New Jersey was), Boston (althought Boston had textiles earlier), etc., etc.

Chicago was THE biggest manufacturing center in the U.S. It was a more diversified range of manufacturing than Detroit, and yes even then it had the financial side, but no doubt about, Chicago was THE major manufacturing center. At the time it was the microcosm for other Great Lakes cities.

Chrsyler was never headquartered in downtown Detroit. It was first in Highland Park, MI then moved north to Auburn Hills. GM is headquartered in the Ren Cen. Detroit did have a stock exchange until 1976 in a area of their downtown that was known as the financial district. The Guardian building was called the cathedral of finance. Detroit had the foundation to build on when manufacturing was declining. They just blew it. Today there are offices of Electronic Data Systems, headquarts Compuware, and was the headquarters for Comerica Bank until they moved to Dallas. Quicken Loans, a Livonia-based mortgage company is moving its headquarters there this year. Not EVERYTHING there is automotive.

Chicago may have always had more of a financial economy, but it was still the major manufacturing center. The local cultural roots of Chicago, reflects the working class heritage (love of baseball and pizza), and many of Chicagos problems (its crime, its school system, etc.) are ultimately a product of it being a huge industrial city. If it wasn't a major industrial city, with a population originally attracted by industrial jobs, the city and its demographics would be very different today.

I don't like the corruption anymore than anyone else. But there is no denying that major projects built during the first Daley adminstration, are crucial to Chicagos economy today. McCormick Place, O'Hare, UIC, the three tallest buildings before Trump Tower, etc. etc.

Chicago took major hits from the decline in the meatpacking industry in the 50s and 60s, major hits from steel industry decline in 70s and 80s, as well as electronics plants, candy-making plants, etc. Chicago was bigger and more economically diverse than other Great Lakes cities, but it stil a microcosm of that world. Today its a model for how those cities can rebound. Which some have (Pittsburgh) and are making strides to (St. Louis, Milwaukee, and somewhat Cleveland).