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Old 04-11-2010, 08:45 PM
 
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The only difference between Garfield Ridge/Clearing/Burbank/Chicago Ridge/parts of Oak Lawn/Mount Greenwood and Warren, Michigan is the latitude and longitude.

That and the fact that people can commute to the financial powerhouse of the Loop as the industry in the SW area declined. Thats the ONLY thing that separates everything south and east of the Stevenson and Metro Detroit.

Some of those Irish and Polish American South siders would gladly burn down houses on Devils Night if that was a tradition in Chicago.
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Old 04-11-2010, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Southwest Suburbs
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latikeriii;13698120]I'm not surprised by this at all, MT. Greenwood is a lower-middle working class White community and usually, those are the ones that ususally seem to racially change the fastest. IMO, I don't think that working class Blacks, Whites, and Hispanics get along well at all, but higher-income people of all races TEND to get along much better but definitely far from perfect.
Not by much. My Sociologist professor was raised in Pill Hill. She said Pill Hill went from predominately upper middle class white to majority upper middle class black in a matter of 5-10 years.

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Hence Beverly is doing fine but name me one racially mixed working-class(lower-middle) neighborhood in the city that's stable and not racially changing.
Rogers Park is one

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Those Southwest Side neighborhoods are becoming Black and Hispanic and I doubt that Whites are moving in, they're moving. Once Mt. Greenwood becomes 10-20%% Black, it will snowball and the lower, working class Whites will flee quickly. Beverly and Mt. Greenwood are oranges and apples.
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Old 04-11-2010, 10:53 PM
 
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Rogers Park is one
Although Rogers Park is a bit different from Beverly.

Beverly sits in the heart of the border area between "old school" south side white culture and expanding black south side culture.

Like someone mentioned because this area is more well off and more well educated than many other S/SW neighborhoods race became less of an issue. While I'm sure the residents of Beverly have worked hard at this integration, I think it may have also a lot to do with the simple fact that the best housing stock in that region is in Beverly. It was an upper class area from the begining with its great beautiful homes sitting on the only area of the city where there is a natural hill.

Rogers Park is a bit different in that it is an area that has historically attracted immigrants because of its central location to employment and access to public transportation. First it was Jews later south Asians. The reason why Rogers Park is integrated I think has more to do with the fact that being on the north side (within a mile or two of the lake) where people/transplants who want to have the "truly urban" Chicago experience but have been priced out or don't want to deal with all the partying and excitement of neighborhoods closer to the loop. These white educated transplants typically like diversity so moving into Rogers park is not a big deal.
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Old 04-12-2010, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Dallas via NYC via Austin via Chicago
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[SIZE=3]I agree with the poster above, I think that Rogers Park is different because it’s extremely diverse in incomes classes, housing stock, education levels, etc. I should have made it clear and stated that low-income, integrated working class neighborhood with predominately single-family homes that’s stable. Rogers Park ranges from very dense closer to the lake and El to single-family on the Western Edge. [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=3]On the other hand, Pill Hill is a very small area and the black community at that time (late 60s?) was growing from all 4 sides. Also, it’s a small enclave surrounded by working class neighborhoods on all sides. Pill Hill can’t be compared to Beverly as it isn’t even 1 square mile.[/SIZE]
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Old 04-12-2010, 09:53 AM
 
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Rogers Park is a bit different in that it is an area that has historically attracted immigrants because of its central location to employment and access to public transportation. First it was Jews later south Asians.
South Asians? I think you're confusing Rogers park with West Ridge(aka West Rogers Park). The Rogers park I'm refering to is 30/30/30 between blacks, whites and Hispanics by the lake. The Rogers park closer to the lake has a similar income to Little Village on the west/southwest side.
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Old 04-12-2010, 01:18 PM
 
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South Asians? I think you're confusing Rogers park with West Ridge(aka West Rogers Park). .
Yeah, you're right. I forget sometimes that there is considered a distinct difference between the two.
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Old 04-12-2010, 05:10 PM
 
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The good people of Mt. Greenwood may resort to building Renaissance castles like the ones in France. The front entry door on this one sustained a little bit of damage from attempted forced entry.

IMG]http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg303/Irishking23/Renaissance%20Castle%20in%20France/renaissancecastle.jpg[/IMG]

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg303/Irishking23/Renaissance%20Castle%20in%20France/gate.jpg (broken link)
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Old 04-12-2010, 09:49 PM
 
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Believe me there are some black teens bold enough to yell out "honky" and "cracker", maybe not point in there faces, but would yell it out from a distance. Even worse, beat up that one white kid(usually male) just walking past. Usually these type of black teens are in gangs and would do the same to an innocent black teen.
I've been called a Honky twice in Uptown, and once in Lake View of all places. All within the last five years. On all occasions I was minding my own business--either walking down the street, eating a meal, or waiting for a train.
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Old 04-16-2010, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Kent, Washington
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Looks like Marquette Park may have had some pretty intimidating forces that "fought" diversity at one point, and by these accounts they didn't succeed in changing much.

I dunno, is the neighborhood now diverse? Or just changed?
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Old 04-16-2010, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Southwest Suburbs
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I dunno, is the neighborhood now diverse? Or just changed?
Marquette Park(aka Chicago Lawn) is about 1/2 black, 1/3 Hispanic, and a sprinkle of Muslim Arabs.

It was 10% white(maybe half of it were Arabs) 10 years ago according to this

Chicago Lawn, Chicago: Information from Answers.com
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