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Old 07-19-2007, 11:56 AM
 
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Logan Park either your just ignorant or that stupid. As a former resident of Englewood I can tell u from personal experience no neighborhood on the Northside can compare to Englewood. There's plenty of homicides in that neighborhood that go unreported because the people live in fear. There are some cold blooded killers in that Englewood. One thing you notice living in Englewood is a lot of people go missing and you know their not lost but people learn to keep their mouths shut because they're scared. The murder rate doesn't mean anything we know the police find ways to change the numbers around the police department is one of the most corrupt in the country.
Austin is just as bad as Englewood but from my experience Roseland is worse than Englewwod because they don't fear the police living there there were some times gang members shot at police. Remember how many murders a neighborhood has is how many are reported. Both austin and Engleood are way bigger then rosealand.

 
Old 07-19-2007, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Oak Park, IL
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Default Need to adjust to per capita basis

Well, you have to keep in mind that Austin is by far the most popated neighborhood of Chicago.

2000 census figures 2003 murders Per capita murder rate Side
East Garfield 21K 17 0.80/1000 W
North Lawndale 42K 28 0.67 W
Englewood 40K 25 0.625 S
New City 52K 31 0.59 S
West Englewood 45K 26 0.57 S
West Garfield 23K 13 0.56 W
West Pullman 36K 18 0.50 S
South Shore 62K 29 0.47 S
Austin 117K 48 0.41 W
Near West Side 46K 18 0.39 W
Roseland 53K 21 0.39 S
Humboldt Park 66K 21 0.31 W
South Lawndale 91K 24 0.26 W
Logan Square 83K 19 0.22 W

When you calculate murder rate on a per capita basis, East Garfield is at the top, but Englwood isn't too far behind. Austin is relatively low and Logan Square has the lowest rate. I don't think you can say the west side is significantly worse than the south side based on this data. (Caveats, old census data, underreporting of murders, etc, etc).
 
Old 07-19-2007, 01:52 PM
 
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Check it out Northwest Hottest homicide location in the city, Map below.
This is almost 5 years old.

I am not saying anyone posting in this thread is right or wrong. But can someone find some more recent data?
 
Old 07-19-2007, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Check it out Northwest Hottest homicide location in the city, Map below.
Best I can tell, the map pretty much confirms what I said: Humboldt Park and Logan Square are only two Northwest side neighborhoods singled out as trouble spots. Furthermore, the murder count (598) and the article date (2004) leads me to believe they are using data from 2003. Granted, that's not long ago and I don't think many people would dispute that Logan Square and Humboldt Park are still problematic, but a lot has changed since 2003. For one, the murder rate has dropped by 25%. For another, Humboldt Park and Logan Square (which Bucktown is officially a part of) have continued to undergo gentrification.

Additionally, when you claimed that New City was the worst neighborhood on the South side, did you take population into consideration or just look at the raw numbers? According to 2000 census data, New City had a population of 51,700; for Englewood, 40,200. Assuming there was not a huge change in population in the 4 years between when the data was collected and the census was taken, Englewood still had a higher murder rate (62.2/100,000) versus New City (60 per 100,000) in 2003; and indeed, Englewood had the highest murder rate of any South Side neighborhood. Here's the breakdown murder rate of the South Side neighborhoods on that map (for perspective, the U.S. average is approximately 5.6 per 100,000):

Englewood: 62.2 per 100,000
New City: 60 per 100,000
West Englewood: 57.4 per 100,000
West Pullman: 49.1 per 100,000
South Shore: 47.1 per 100,000
Roseland: 39.8 per 100,000

On a similar note, when you proclaimed the Northwest and West sides to be worse than the South side, did you take respective populations into consideration? As of the 2000 census, the combined population of the highlighted neighborhoods on that map (East and West Garfield, North and South Lawndale, Austin, Humboldt Park, Near West Side and Logan Square) is 489,000. The number of murders among that population was 188. Do the math and the murder rate in 2003 was 38.4 per 100,000. By contrast, the highlighted South Side neighborhoods (Englewood, West Englewood, West Pullman, South Shore & Roseland) had a combined population as of the 2000 census of 288,000 and a raw murder count of 150. That works out to 52 per 100,000.

And finally, does all of this really even matter? The original question in this thread was "How safe is Englewood?" I think we can all agree, the answer is "not very."
 
Old 07-19-2007, 02:40 PM
 
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Furthermore, the murder count (598) and the article date (2004) leads me to believe they are using data from 2003.
The first sentence on top of the map says the numbers are from 2003.

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And finally, does all of this really even matter? The original question in this thread was "How safe is Englewood?" I think we can all agree, the answer is "not very.And finally, does all of this really even matter? The original question in this thread was "How safe is Englewood?" I think we can all agree, the answer is "not very.
Thank you.
 
Old 07-19-2007, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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This is almost 5 years old.

I am not saying anyone posting in this thread is right or wrong. But can someone find some more recent data?
You can cobble together recent data by carefully and patiently manipulating the filters on the "Search By City Map" option at the Chicago Crime Database and then cross-referencing it against the official community maps found at the City of Chicago website. (I can't provide a direct link to the list of official community maps because it creates a URL with unique session ID, but if you go to the city's homepage and click on "Site Map" at the bottom of the page, you can find the "Community Maps" link in the "Exploring Chicago" section.) It's a long, hard, painstaking process so I'm not going to do it here, but if you have the time and the patience, that's the most effective way to do it that I've found so far.
 
Old 07-21-2007, 11:28 AM
 
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I read on Wikipedia that Englewood a section of only 30K people has had 700 murders in the past 10 years. Yikes!
 
Old 07-22-2007, 01:51 AM
 
Location: Bucktown
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guys, check this map on gang locations, I can't vouch on how accurate it is, but at least you get an idea

map
 
Old 08-12-2007, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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How about during the day? Is it safe to walk the streets of Englewood before sunset?
NO Way! Englewood is never safe!
 
Old 08-12-2007, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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West Side/NorthWest Side of Chicago is the Worst. Humboldt Park, Logan Park, and the Austin Neighborhood are the three worst neigbhorhoods in Chicago. Englewoods not great, but it's not the worst part of Chicago. New City in the Southsides worst.

Oh and please, Chicago police lie about the murder rate, we all know that, give me a break. Chicago Police are crooked liars, that hide murders, because there so embarrassed that they haven't been able to curb crime Like L.A, and NYC.

Reminder.

cbs2chicago.com - Are Police Hiding Homicides To Lower Murder Rate? (http://cbs2chicago.com/investigations/local_story_317213201.html - broken link)
Chicago's westside is extremely violent. West Garfield Park is by far the worst neighborhood in the entire city. Such a small population and so many killings, robberies and agg assaults.
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