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Old 06-11-2010, 08:34 AM
 
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1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Greek work Yelei means "desires", or "to take delight in, have pleasure". "to will" in english also means 'is my will" = "is my desire". Sorry, you've been had.

Does God desire humans to lead a sinless life? Yes, that is why he tells us to resist sin, but people sin anyway.
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Old 06-11-2010, 08:40 AM
 
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1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Amen. No twisting there - just quoting the KJV of the bible.
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Old 06-11-2010, 08:43 AM
 
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Amen. No twisting there - just quoting the KJV of the bible.
If that settles it for you, then good for you. Good luck.
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Old 06-11-2010, 08:48 AM
 
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If that settles it for you, then good for you. Good luck.
It settles it for me too. But I don't believe in good luck or bad luck. I believe in the sovereignty of God's will over all things.

BTW, Finn_Jarber - how would you feel if you learned that God intends to save every last person? I mean, would it make you feel happy?

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Old 06-11-2010, 08:58 AM
 
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But I don't believe in good luck or bad luck. I believe in the sovereignty of God's will over all things.
I think you just proved that you believe in KJV no matter what the Greek text says

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BTW, Finn_Jarber - how would you feel if you learned that God intends to save every last person? I mean, would it make you feel happy?


Yes, very happy, but it is a moot point, since the Bible clearly teaches that is not the case.
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Old 06-11-2010, 09:22 AM
 
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You used your personal interpretation to say someone has to accept the free gift. The scripture doesn't say that. In fact, it says, the free gift CAME UPON all men. The sin that came upon all wasn't a choice we made individually, and neither was the free gift.

Romans 5:18. Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.


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Old 06-11-2010, 09:24 AM
 
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[quote=Finn_Jarber;14570201]I think you just proved that you believe in KJV no matter what the Greek text says

I have no idea why you say this. Your point is flying over my head. Are you a KJV onlyist? Or did you mean something else? I'm not a Greek scholar.

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Old 06-11-2010, 09:35 AM
 
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You used your personal interpretation to say someone has to accept the free gift. The scripture doesn't say that. In fact, it says, the free gift CAME UPON all men. The sin that came upon all wasn't a choice we made individually, and neither was the free gift.

Romans 5:18. Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.


So. Christ knocks with the free gift under his arm, but if you refuse to open, you won't receive it. It is not complicated.
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Old 06-11-2010, 09:39 AM
 
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I have no idea why you say this. Your point is flying over my head. Are you a KJV onlyist? Or did you mean something else? I'm not a Greek scholar.

Heartsong
There is not way you could have misunderstand what I said. Read it again.

If I say "I thinkyou just proved that you believe in KJV no matter what the Greek text says" , then how does that translate that I am a KJV onlyist ?????? ????????
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Old 06-11-2010, 09:47 AM
 
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Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.


So. Christ knocks with the free gift under his arm, but if you refuse to open, you won't receive it. It is not complicated.
Hi Finn,
I think where the misunderstanding is, is that you seem to be saying that Jesus is standing at the door of every man's heart, saying, "yoo hoo! Please open so that I can come in!"

Other people read that same verse as simply a declaration of Jesus: this is what happens when God calls a man: he hears my voice, he is drawn to open, and Jesus then enters to dine with him.
But this is not an "invitation to the world." It is merely an explanation of a spiritual fact. If you look at the life of Saul/Paul, you will see that this is exactly what happened to him, too. God knocks! And when HE knocks, we open!!

Blessings,
brian
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