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Old 06-11-2010, 01:49 PM
 
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That verse says nothing about a gift.
Most people understand that He, and what he offers is the gift.
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Old 06-11-2010, 01:49 PM
 
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Don't you find it strange the Israelis, the chosen people, somehow managed to keep the door shut. Yes, they were called, but they chose to not come.
"All Israel will be saved" (Romans 11:26). Do you believe that verse, Finn?
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Old 06-11-2010, 01:57 PM
 
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It was NOT wanting to find a different outcome for humanity, prove baptism unnecessary, or anything else, it was simply an intense longing to reach the heart of God that set me on my quest. Since accepting universal reconciliation, I am much closer (tho certainly still ignorant to many of the loving qualities of God) to His heart.'
That is how it started with me. First I earnestly sought to know God more fully, and then I felt a burden for all people, not just the ones I know.
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Old 06-11-2010, 01:59 PM
 
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Most people understand that He, and what he offers is the gift.
The free gift CAME UPON all men. The sin that came upon all wasn't a choice we made individually, and neither was the free gift.

Romans 5:18. Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
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Old 06-11-2010, 02:02 PM
 
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Is that's why Jesus said this: "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 35Look, your house is left to you desolate. I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord."
My 2 cents on "free will."


God does the CHOOSING. God CHOSE the Jews to be his CHOSEN. SO, he OPENED their eyes and ears to KNOW him (NOT the surrounding nations), but when he OPENED their eyes and ears they would not LISTEN or SEE!

NOW, he opens eyes and ears to the HOLY SPIRIT; not ALL, just the CHOSEN and ELECT. No nations, just individuals. The ELECT, who's eyes and ears have been OPENED can CHOOSE to ignore or not run the race. Those will not reign in the Kingdom.

He WILL OPEN eyes yet again when He is good and ready.

He NEEDS those He called to do their job so he can have his elect from BOTH groups to reign and rule with him.

THIS is ALL for a higher purpose, the Restoration of Things in the HEAVENS and earth, the angelic conflict. There are a CLOUD of witnesses who are VERY interested in these things.

These things even the ANGELS wish they could look into.
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Old 06-11-2010, 02:04 PM
 
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The free gift CAME UPON all men. The sin that came upon all wasn't a choice we made individually, and neither was the free gift.
OK, then just forget about what Jesus said.
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Old 06-11-2010, 02:08 PM
 
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The free gift CAME UPON all men. The sin that came upon all wasn't a choice we made individually, and neither was the free gift.

Romans 5:18. Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.


That awesome FREE GIFT is RESURRECTION from the dead!
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Old 06-11-2010, 02:10 PM
 
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He NEEDS those He called to do their job so he can have his elect from BOTH groups to reign and rule with him.
Yea, well Christ specifically said he has already called them many times, and that kills the argument someone made earlier about how people are unable to resist the call. The Israelis resisted the call many times. Period.
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Old 06-11-2010, 02:11 PM
 
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I see. Well, point out the errors then. Here is the verse

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! Look, your house is left to you desolate. I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord."
I merely pointed out to those who believe that a particular translation is flawless that there were many errors in the many KJV versions published throughout the years. You can research them on the web. Many were typographical, but just the fact that sheol and gehenna and tarturus were ALL translated hell is grounds that there is bias in translation, as not ALL passages translated sheol as hell. Sheol means grave, the unseen, the hidden.

You will not see me again UNTIL you say..... All WILL say that when they have irrefutable evidence.

But none of that was the point of my post. I must soon leave for work.

Have a beautiful Friday and weekend Finn
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Old 06-11-2010, 02:14 PM
 
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Yea, well Christ specifically said he has already called them many times, and that kills the argument someone made earlier about how people are unable to resist the call. The Israelis resisted the call many times. Period.
Yes, I believe the CHOSEN can resist, but it is ALL for a higher purpose. Did you understand the rest of my post?
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