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Old 06-11-2010, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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I merely pointed out to those who believe that a particular translation is flawless
I never defended KJV as falwless. As a matter of fact I corrected it myself just a few pages back. One of the URs claimed KJV "all will be saved" was correct in KVJ, but I pointed out the flaw in the translation. The correct translation is "He desires all to be saved".
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Old 06-11-2010, 02:34 PM
 
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I never defended KJV as falwless. As a matter of fact I corrected it myself just a few pages back. One of the URs claimed KJV "all will be saved" was correct in KVJ, but I pointed out the flaw in the translation. The correct translation is "He desires all to be saved".
SO, you can see that many translations are fallible? Yes! Try and receive the BIG picture and you won't go wrong!
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Old 06-11-2010, 02:38 PM
 
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SO, you can see that many translations are fallible? Yes! Try and receive the BIG picture and you won't go wrong!
Yes, thank you. I have dug deep, and by now I am 100% sure UR is competely unbiblical. In that sense these discussions on this boards have been fruitful.
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Old 06-11-2010, 02:45 PM
 
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Yes, thank you. I have dug deep, and by now I am 100% sure UR is competely unbiblical. In that sense these discussions on this boards have been fruitful.
You are 100% wrong!

And, yes! These discussions have been VERY fruitful for me, as well!
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Old 06-11-2010, 03:36 PM
 
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I never defended KJV as falwless. As a matter of fact I corrected it myself just a few pages back. One of the URs claimed KJV "all will be saved" was correct in KVJ, but I pointed out the flaw in the translation. The correct translation is "He desires all to be saved".
Why don't you correct your KJV where ever "everlasting" and "eternal" and "world" is used and insert "eonian" and "eon" where aionion and aion are?

Don't stop with "desires." Go all the way.

Oh, by the way, Since 1 Timothy 2:6 says that Christ ransomed all, why would God just desire to save all mankind since all who are ransomed must be freed?

Mankind are slaves to sin and death. So they must be freed into God's salvation.
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Old 06-11-2010, 03:39 PM
 
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Why don't you correct your KJV where ever "everlasting" and "eternal" and "world" is used and insert "eonian" and "eon" where aionion and aion are?.
I have already done that. Everlasting means everlasting.

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Mankind are slaves to sin and death. So they must be freed into God's salvation.
Yep, and those who accept Chist will enjoy everlasting life. Ups, I forgot you don't believe it is everlasting. How long will you be in heaven until you expire?
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Old 06-11-2010, 03:45 PM
 
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Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.


So. Christ knocks with the free gift under his arm, but if you refuse to open, you won't receive it. It is not complicated.
Your understanding of that verse is not what the verse is saying. It doesn't say: "I stand at the door with a free gift under my arm and if you refuse to open you won't receive it."

It is said to a very specific Jewish group of believers. He is going to go to that specific group. If anyone of that Jewish group of already believers opens the door He will come into that group and sup with that specific person in that specific group of believers.
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Old 06-11-2010, 03:56 PM
 
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Why don't you correct your KJV where ever "everlasting" and "eternal" and "world" is used and insert "eonian" and "eon" where aionion and aion are?.
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Fin replied: I have already done that. Everlasting means everlasting.
Well of course everlasting means everlasting but aionios does not mean everlasting. Did you go through your New Testament and put "age" everywhere "aion" is rather than "world"?


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Mankind are slaves to sin and death. So they must be freed into God's salvation.
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Yep, and those who accept Chist will enjoy everlasting life. Ups, I forgot you don't believe it is everlasting. How long will you be in heaven until you expire?
I noticed you left this part of the quote out:

Tony wrote which Fin didn't quote:
Oh, by the way, Since 1 Timothy 2:6 says that Christ ransomed all, why would God just desire to save all mankind since all who are ransomed must be freed?
But Fin only quoted this:
Mankind are slaves to sin and death. So they must be freed into God's salvation.

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Yep, and those who accept Chist will enjoy everlasting life. Ups, I forgot you don't believe it is everlasting. How long will you be in heaven until you expire?
Notice why Fin didn't quote the really tough part? It's because he doesn't want anyone to think about the part of all mankind being ransomed. He must know it destroys his philosophy because I'm sure by now he has done a complete study of "ransom" through the whole bible and knows every person and animal ransomed must be freed.
1 Timothy 2:4-6 is not about people having to "accept Christ to enjoy everlasting life". It is about what Jesus did in ransoming all mankind and that's the reason why God will save all mankind.

I will be in the heavens for the eons of the eons and will have eonian life or life pertaining to the final two eons. And when the eons end I will continue to live because I will have put on immortality.
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Old 06-11-2010, 04:35 PM
 
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Your understanding of that verse is not what the verse is saying. It doesn't say: "I stand at the door with a free gift under my arm and if you refuse to open you won't receive it."

It is said to a very specific Jewish group of believers. He is going to go to that specific group. If anyone of that Jewish group of already believers opens the door He will come into that group and sup with that specific person in that specific group of believers.
No, absolutely not. He uses a Christian Church in Laodicea (today's Turkey) as a symbolic example, but he is talking about EVERYBODY.
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Old 06-11-2010, 04:43 PM
 
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OK, then just forget about what Jesus said.
So, what is your view of Romans 5:18?

Romans 5:18. Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
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