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Old 06-09-2010, 10:00 PM
 
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It is an absolute fact that you will spend eternity somewhere. There are only 2 options: heaven or hell. Many professed Christians are banking their eternity on what they think they believe. Some might say they will go to heaven because they are a good person. Others might say it is because they are active in church (merely playing the role). Others might say because they pay their tithes, serve the poor, or do any other number of religious deeds they will see the "pearly white gates". Some think calling themselves a Christian or saying they believe in Jesus seals the deal (contrary to James 2:19), yet never do they open their Bibles (if they own one), conversations about Jesus are taboo, they only pray to God when they need something, Christmas and Easter services are the only times they make it to church, they have no Christian fellowship, truth might be relative and Jesus isn't the only way, or the whole of their life is marked by habitual practice of sin, but they are still Christian because they "believe in their heart".
The heart is deceitful above all things,
And desperately wicked;
Who can know it - Jeremiah 17:9
They are idolaters, for the god they believe is the one they have made up to justify their lifestyle. Their invented god is not the holy, just, righteous, and sovereign Lord God of the Bible, and it is certainly a god that does not save. It is for this reason there will be professing Christians in hell.

Jesus says the Truth will set you free, but nominal Christians are in double bondage for not only are they lost, but they are deceived in thinking they are saved when they are not. It's such a tragedy, especially when they reject any discussion on the matter of genuine salvation. The Bible clearly teaches there is false conversion, and we find these examples in Matthew 13 with the Parables of the soils and of the wheat and tares.

Additionally, the book of 1 John shows the contrasts between genuine faith in Jesus Christ versus those who profess with their mouths they are saved but their life gives no evidence of their faith. They love the world and the things of the world. They say they have fellowship with God, but they walk in darkness and the truth is not in them. They say they love God, but hate their brother. The commandments of God are burdensome to them. They justify their sin or say they have no sin at all. They are not sensitive to their sin. They live according to their sinful nature and have their minds set on that nature's desires. They are not submitted to the law of God, nor can they be. They are slaves to sin. They practice lawlessness, and they remain unrighteous.

Dear friend, when Jesus saves you by the grace of God, you become a new creation, you are given a new nature, you are changed from within, and you will outwardly begin to produce fruit that manifests the characteristics of God. You are a slave of righteousness. You are a slave to Christ! You have died to yourself and have been made alive in Christ. Your life is marked by repentance. Out of love, you seek God, you pursue God, you obey God, you long for Christ, you draw close to Christ, you are sanctified, purified, washed, justified, renewed, conformed, made holy, regenerated, transformed, and born again of the Spirit of God! The sole reason one does not experience change in their life is because there is no repentance. Jesus says in Matthew 13,
5 For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.’
There can be no healing without turning, and there can be no turning without hearing and seeing, and there can be no hearing or seeing without seeking. God says in Hebrews 11:6 that He rewards those who diligently seek after Him and that without faith it is impossible to please Him.

Do you find your life not adding up? Do you find a void in your heart that you don't know how to fill? The bad news is you can't fill it, but the good news is that God can! The only thing required of you is surrendering to Jesus Christ through faith in Him, His finished work on the cross, and His bodily resurrection from the dead. This means it is the end of the road for you and your sinful passions and desires. You must give up on yourself and turn to God for He is the only one who can save you. If there is anything you are not willing to give up for God, then you are not ready to receive Him as Lord and Savior of your life. Jesus asked the rich young ruler in Luke 18 to sell all of his belongings and give them to the poor, and when he realized how high the cost, he turned and walked away in sorrow for he was not willing to forfeit everything he was and everything he had.

It will cost you everything. But isn't everything worth an eternity with Jesus Christ? Are you willing to reject eternity for the riches and cares of this life now? Your religiosity and churchianity, your job, your friends, your parties, your entertainment, your drug of choice, your sex outside of wedlock, your drunken stupors, your fame, your fortune, your lying, and your cheating - are you still willing to let these rule your life instead of the Lord Jesus Christ? Your sin and pride are killing you! This life is nothing but a vapor in the backdrop of eternity. There is no computer known to man that can count the years of infinity. It never ends. It is forever. Trillions times 10 trillions times 100 trillions of years - and yet that is even a vapor.

C.H. Spurgeon spoke of hell,
You and I can never imagine all the depths of hell. Shut out from us by a black veil of
darkness, we cannot tell the horrors of that dismal dungeon of lost souls. Happily, the
wailings of the damned have never startled us, for a thousand tempests were but a
maiden’s whisper, compared with one wail of a damned spirit. It is not possible for us
to see the tortures of those souls who dwell eternally within an anguish that knows
no alleviation. These eyes would become sightless balls of darkness, if they were
permitted for an instant to look into that ghastly shrine of torment. Hell is horrible,
for we may say of it, eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither hath it entered into the
heart of man to conceive the horrors which God hath prepared for them that hate
him.
We are all running after something. Are you running in vain?

Turn to Jesus Christ in faith and surrender your life to Him today. Tomorrow may not come, and then it will be too late. Which words of Jesus would you rather hear?
Well done, good and faithful servant
or
I never knew you; depart from Me, you worker of iniquity!
Repent, and believe the gospel.


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Old 06-09-2010, 10:11 PM
 
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You go on about this, but don't give us any real advice. Point us somewhere. You don't tell someone there's a treasure hunt and then hide the map. Please don't just say that "this, this, and this especially is bad" and then end your darn post, my friend.
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Old 06-09-2010, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Christ (Yeshua) is definitely what everybody needs. The planet would be a different place with love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, and gentleness.

I don't know where Spurgeon got his glimpse of hell. Probably Dante. What a shame......All about Sheol and hell

Job wanted to go to hell to get away from God. I wonder why.

And you can ascend from "hell!" Wow!

Proverbs 15:24: The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath.
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Old 06-09-2010, 10:45 PM
 
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And you can ascend from "hell!" Wow!

Proverbs 15:24: The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath.
Umm…no, not exactly the way you mean.

This verse teaches that “the way of life” is faith in God. Meaning that if we have faith in God we will ascend to heaven – eternity in His presence, rather than remain in the grave – Hell.
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Old 06-09-2010, 10:54 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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Umm…no, not exactly the way you mean.

This verse teaches that “the way of life” is faith in God. Meaning that if we have faith in God we will ascend to heaven – eternity in His presence, rather than remain in the grave – Hell.
Psalm 139:8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.

God is in hell?

Amos 9:2 "Though they dig into Sheol, From there will My hand take them; And though they ascend to heaven, From there will I bring them down."

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Old 06-09-2010, 11:12 PM
 
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Psalm 139:8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.

God is in hell?

Amos 9:2 "Though they dig into Sheol, From there will My hand take them; And though they ascend to heaven, From there will I bring them down."

These verses are a great promise and give hope to the believer. But to the unfaithful the omnipresence and the immutability of God are misunderstood and frightening.

God is omnipresent; that is, He is everywhere. Even death cannot separate you from Him. And the immutability of God means that God never changes. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. These two truths are a great comfort to God’s children, but they are frightening to the wicked.
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Old 06-09-2010, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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These verses are a great promise and give hope to the believer. But to the unfaithful the omnipresence and the immutability of God are misunderstood and frightening.

God is omnipresent; that is, He is everywhere. Even death cannot separate you from Him. And the immutability of God means that God never changes. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. These two truths are a great comfort to God’s children, but they are frightening to the wicked.
Why would they be frightening to the wicked?

Jesus said that God is kind to the wicked....

Luke 6:35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.

Also Jesus came to save those very lost and wicked people which is why God is kind to them IMO....
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Old 06-09-2010, 11:25 PM
 
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Psalm 139:8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.

God is in hell?

Amos 9:2 "Though they dig into Sheol, From there will My hand take them; And though they ascend to heaven, From there will I bring them down."

Yup. Of course it's easier to 'sense' God in the heavenly realms where all is light and sweet. But do we have faith enough to trust him in the darkness. In this present world - blessed are those who fear no evil though they walk through the valley of the shadow of death. In hell, their is much weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Romans 8:35-39
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? 36 As it is written, "For your sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered." 37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Fear not, God is with thee -
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Old 06-09-2010, 11:25 PM
 
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From the OP. Spurgeon: "Hell is horrible for we may say of it, eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither hath it entered into the heart of man to conceive the horrors which God hath prepared for them that hate."


What an absolutely wicked thing for Mr. Spurgeon to say!! How a man of God could corrupt such a beautiful passage of scripture into a Greek horror show is beyond me!! I am only hoping it was because of the influence of the Dark Ages that inspired him to say these things, and not because he truly thought about God in this way!
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Old 06-09-2010, 11:49 PM
 
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From the OP. Spurgeon: "Hell is horrible for we may say of it, eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither hath it entered into the heart of man to conceive the horrors which God hath prepared for them that hate."


What an absolutely wicked thing for Mr. Spurgeon to say!! How a man of God could corrupt such a beautiful passage of scripture into a Greek horror show is beyond me!! I am only hoping it was because of the influence of the Dark Ages that inspired him to say these things, and not because he truly thought about God in this way!
Talk about twisting the scriptures to one's destruction.... heavens! So sad.

Heartsong
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