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Old 06-15-2010, 10:48 AM
 
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Sorry.. I am a simple soul.
You are a soul indeed, which is the point.

You have a body to wear, designed by the Creator for you before He even made the Adamhead [the beginning of our kind] and ordained you to come forth in the Adam kind creation, in your season pre-appointed.

The body is human being kind flesh.

The human being kind flesh body is made for your soul to wear by the human being kind Adam spirit beating it out for you to wear, at conception, in the womb.
If you are never born anew, from above, in spirit, then when your body of flesh dies, you will be separated from that body of human being flesh, but you will remain yourself, a human being soul, disembodied; and you will go to your appointed place, to await your judgment.
At the pre-appointed time of your judgment, your body will rise from the elements of the dust again, in its unregenerated form [but ransomed from corruption because Jesus paid for the sin of Adam which brought corruption to the flesh of all Adam, which canceled the first death]; and you will be united with your very own human being flesh body, and in that flesh body you will stand before the Judge of the earth, the LORD Jesus Christ, who is YHWH come in flesh to ransom His own back, for the Glory to indwell them in the adoption of them into His New Man image.

At that resurrection of the body designed for you to wear, as a human being soul, you will be absent the Adam spirit. The Adam spirit will cease to remain before the face of the Creator from that time and forevermore, and will not rise with your flesh. Therefore; the Adam flesh body in which you will rise, in which there will be no more corruption, is called the "undying worm", and in that undying worm body of human being kind flesh, you will be a reject for the Glory to indwell, and a cast away from that presence of Glory which the human being body of flesh was designed to be a temple for it to indwell.
You will stand to be judged in that body of flesh for every deed done in that body, and not one deed done in that body, however so good by the measure of fallen man, will stand for you, because not one deed done in Adam can be acceptable before the LORD of Glory, who is Holy, and from whose presence Adam is separated from the time of the fall and defilement of the Adam clay.

If you are born again in Spirit before you are separated from your old man body of flesh born again =regenerated in the Living Spirit/Christ, from above] then you will rise in your human being "born again" body of flesh, morphosed in its elements [dissolved and regenerated], to the image of the New Man. If that is your case at that time, then you will receive the Glory for that body which Adam was first made to bear, and lost irrevocably at the fall.

That Glory is what YHWH dressed Himself in a second creation human being body for [Isaiah 59], to come as your Kinsman [to Adam flesh] Redeemer, to atone for the sin of Adam [our head], which caused the first death of separation from that Glory, so as to bring you to the Glory in His New Man name.

Its your choice to remain in the dead Adam spirit of separation from that Glory, or to seek the Light that lights you, since you came into your Adam being, and which Light is Christ, and which Light will lead you to Christ, upon seeking, so that you may be born anew, into His One Living Spirit, and be acceptable for that Glory, at that time when when He dresses you in His own New Man human being body of flesh [which is the adoption body of second birth] at the resurrection or rapture of that body.



In the Living Oracles, the High Priest typed Christ's office of Firstborn Son of Earth, in His New Man Garment of Salvation [Kinsman flesh -Isaiah 59]. Every oracle about the High Priest and the sons of the high priest, in all their offices, teaches us about the Person and work of Christ, the Living Spirit, come as the New Man, the living human being Son of God, who was to and has, cleansed our souls, so that we can be adopted into His Living Spirit and New Man name [the Spirit is Christ, the Name of the New Man human being creation is not Adam, but is Israel, the Living Son of God; Isaiah 49].

He came for "Glory" to bring us to the Glory that the dead human being son of God lost. We died in Adam [spiritually, which is the first death], and we die in Adam [physically, which is the corruption of the flesh that works in us until we are separated from our flesh], and we shall die in Adam [as reject, s cast aways, confined forever to the Lake of Fire, which is the second death].
Jesus came to rescue us from the second death by His work of Atonement for us, who are born in Adam the dead, and the adoption of us into His Living Spirit and Name.

If we are born again, into His Living Spirit, then at the resurrection of the flesh, we will be morphosed, into the image of His New Man body, and we will receive the Glory which Adam lost irrevocably, at the fall, in that New Man name and flesh or regeneration -and more glory, for Adam was earthy, of the earth, but the second Man is the LORD from heaven, and He will share His Glory with us who are His adopted sons.

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Old 06-15-2010, 11:19 AM
 
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You are a soul indeed, which is the point.
Yes.... my usage was referring to the whole being, the way the bible uses it... I am a simple person....
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You have a body to wear, designed by the Creator for you before He even made the Adamhead [the beginning of our kind] and ordained you to come forth in the Adam kind creation, in your season pre-appointed.
Have you ever been away from your body? If so then I guess what you are saying might make sense... However, I have not.. so the body and my mind (spirit if you will) are inseparable and thus a living soul.

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The body is human being kind flesh.
what about animals... do they have a soul?

Ecclesiastes 12:7 and the dust [flesh] returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

Where is the mention of the soul?

Ecc. 3:19 Man's fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless.

Ecc. 3:21 Who knows if the spirit of man rises upward and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?"

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The human being kind flesh body is made for your soul to wear by the human being kind Adam spirit beating it out for you to wear, at conception, in the womb.

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If you are never born anew, from above, in spirit, then when your body of flesh dies, you will be separated from that body of human being flesh, but you will remain yourself, a human being soul, disembodied; and you will go to your appointed place, to await your judgment.
At the pre-appointed time of your judgment, your body will rise from the elements of the dust again, in its unregenerated form [but ransomed from corruption because Jesus paid for the sin of Adam which brought corruption to the flesh of all Adam, which canceled the first death]; and you will be united with your very own human being flesh body, and in that flesh body you will stand before the Judge of the earth, the LORD Jesus Christ, who is YHWH come in flesh to ransom His own back, for the Glory to indwell them in the adoption of them into His New Man image.

At that resurrection of the body designed for you to wear, as a human being soul, you will be absent the Adam spirit. The Adam spirit will cease to remain before the face of the Creator from that time and forevermore, and will not rise with your flesh. Therefore; the Adam flesh body in which you will rise, in which there will be no more corruption, is called the "undying worm", and in that undying worm body of human being kind flesh, you will be a reject for the Glory to indwell, and a cast away from that presence of Glory which the human being body of flesh was designed to be a temple for it to indwell.
You will stand to be judged in that body of flesh for every deed done in that body, and not one deed done in that body, however so good by the measure of fallen man, will stand for you, because not one deed done in Adam can be acceptable before the LORD of Glory, who is Holy, and from whose presence Adam is separated from the time of the fall and defilement of the Adam clay.

If you are born again in Spirit before you are separated from your old man body of flesh born again =regenerated in the Living Spirit/Christ, from above] then you will rise in your human being "born again" body of flesh, morphosed in its elements [dissolved and regenerated], to the image of the New Man. If that is your case at that time, then you will receive the Glory for that body which Adam was first made to bear, and lost irrevocably at the fall.

That Glory is what YHWH dressed Himself in a second creation human being body for [Isaiah 59], to come as your Kinsman [to Adam flesh] Redeemer, to atone for the sin of Adam [our head], which caused the first death of separation from that Glory, so as to bring you to the Glory in His New Man name.

Its your choice to remain in the dead Adam spirit of separation from that Glory, or to seek the Light that lights you, since you came into your Adam being, and which Light is Christ, and which Light will lead you to Christ, upon seeking, so that you may be born anew, into His One Living Spirit, and be acceptable for that Glory, at that time when when He dresses you in His own New Man human being body of flesh [which is the adoption body of second birth] at the resurrection or rapture of that body.



In the Living Oracles, the High Priest typed Christ's office of Firstborn Son of Earth, in His New Man Garment of Salvation [Kinsman flesh -Isaiah 59]. Every oracle about the High Priest and the sons of the high priest, in all their offices, teaches us about the Person and work of Christ, the Living Spirit, come as the New Man, the living human being Son of God, who was to and has, cleansed our souls, so that we can be adopted into His Living Spirit and New Man name [the Spirit is Christ, the Name of the New Man human being creation is not Adam, but is Israel, the Living Son of God; Isaiah 49].

He came for "Glory" to bring us to the Glory that the dead human being son of God lost. We died in Adam [spiritually, which is the first death], and we die in Adam [physically, which is the corruption of the flesh that works in us until we are separated from our flesh], and we shall die in Adam [as reject, s cast aways, confined forever to the Lake of Fire, which is the second death].
Jesus came to rescue us from the second death by His work of Atonement for us, who are born in Adam the dead, and the adoption of us into His Living Spirit and Name.

If we are born again, into His Living Spirit, then at the resurrection of the flesh, we will be morphosed, into the image of His New Man body, and we will receive the Glory which Adam lost irrevocably, at the fall, in that New Man name and flesh or regeneration -and more glory, for Adam was earthy, of the earth, but the second Man is the LORD from heaven, and He will share His Glory with us who are His adopted sons.
Right over my head....None of this agrees with the bible I read... what version are you reading this in?
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Old 06-15-2010, 03:41 PM
 
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what about animals... do they have a soul?
Firstly, I will answer this, so that you may study it for yourself from the many other references in the Word of God, beginning with these:

1:24
And God said, Let the earth bring forth the נפש nephesh "living soul" after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.


Yes, animals are "souls", too, with breath and blood, and animals also multiply their seed by the spirit of the kind, which is the force/being, of their kind, obeying the Creator's commands to multiply its own kind, in its own image.


Gen 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein [is] the breath of life, from under heaven; [and] every thing that [is] in the earth shall die.Gen 7:15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein [is] the breath of life.
Gen 7:21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every Adam:

Adam and all flesh on earth share one "YHWH" breath of life, and the breath of life each has a share of has the manufacturers brand name stamped on it, with each intake and outlet of it "Y-H - W-H!".
The body is from the dust, both of animals and of the Adam, and all return to the dust; but in the Word of God, we learn that the earth keeps the spirit of the beasts, from which earth the spirits were brought forth, for the breath of life to quicken them, and the earth brings them forth again, but the Adam share of the Adam spirit that a soul shares when it comes into its being, returns to God, at the death of the body. -But not for always will the Adam spirit remain before the face of YHWH. The Living Oracles committed to the Jews show that the Adam spirit will be cut off in the 8th day of creation, which is the New beginning, the 8th millennium. For that reason, AbraHAm was given the sign of that cutting off of the Adam spirit continuing to multiply the Adam flesh, in the sign of circumcision on the 8th day, for his male seed to wear in their flesh, until it is fulfilled, and the Adam spirit is no more before the face of YHWH.
Genesis 6:3 is, literally, showing that the Adam spirit strives before him, and also the Adam flesh. He gives the Adam spirit and the Adam flesh a hundred twenty Jubilee years [6000 years, measured by Jubilee years], from that proclamation, and in the dual meaning of His wisdom, he also gave that as a sign 120 years before the flood, which cut off Adam but for the 8 souls on the Ark.
Genesis 6:3 YHWH said spirit always strive Adam, also flesh * : days hundred [and] twenty years.

Job 11:6 And that he would shew thee the secrets of wisdom, that [they are] double to that which is!

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Old 06-15-2010, 06:00 PM
 
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2Cr 12:3 And I knew such a anthropos/man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
Isa 10:18 And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standardbearer fainteth.
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and [I pray God] your whole spirit and soul andbody be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Now the word destroy is not annihilate, but means to render useless for its purpose -therefore the Adam soul, in body, is the undying worm, in the Lake of Fire, with no hope for being meta-morphosed to the New Man image of a son of God, made for the Glory.


Job 34:14 If he set his heart upon man, [if] he gather unto himself his spirit/רוח ruwach and his breath/נשמה nĕshamah; Job 34:15 All flesh/בשר basar shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust.
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Old 06-16-2010, 12:23 PM
 
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2Cr 12:3 And I knew such a anthropos/man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
Isa 10:18 And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standardbearer fainteth.
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and [I pray God] your whole spirit and soul andbody be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Now the word destroy is not annihilate, but means to render useless for its purpose -therefore the Adam soul, in body, is the undying worm, in the Lake of Fire, with no hope for being meta-morphosed to the New Man image of a son of God, made for the Glory.


Job 34:14 If he set his heart upon man, [if] he gather unto himself his spirit/רוח ruwach and his breath/נשמה nĕshamah; Job 34:15 All flesh/בשר basar shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust.
The born again [regenerated] in Spirit Christian has a new nature in him, which is his own share of the Living Spirit/Christ, in him and he is in Christ, by that joining to that Living Spirit.
So just as a human being is in the Adam spirit and has their own remnant/share of that Adam spirit/nature/force, in their flesh, so they who are regenerated [born again] in Spirit have the nature of that New Man joining them to Christ.
In the Word, the regeneration of Spirit into the Living Spirit is called the adoption into that Spirit/nature, which Spirit is living, and is Christ. But those who are born again in Spirit/ joined to Christ/ one spirit with/in Him, are not yet adopted/regenerated/born again in the body of Adam flesh.
That adoption/regeneration of the flesh body is yet to come, for those in Christ's Living Spirit.
So the body and the spirit are not the same thing, and those born again in Christ have a new nature while they are yet in the Adam nature and flesh, and so are dual natured, in spirit, but have not yet received the regenerated body made in the image of the New Man.
When the Adam flesh is shed, there goes the Adam nature.
When the Adam flesh body is resurrected and or changed at the time of the rapture, then the Adam flesh will be born again, itself, which is a metamorphosis of it in that it is dissolved and regenerated, in the elements, born again, incorruptible, in the image of the New Man Flesh.

Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.Rom 8:23 And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.
The human being body is a house/tabernacle/dwelling place, for the human being soul. Believers who are born again in Spirit and who continue to live alive on earth, dwell in the old man house, which is the Adam flesh with its own nature, and they will receive the New Man house to dwell in, after this old man house/tabernacle is dissolved.
1Cr 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

2Cr 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of [this] tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
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