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Old 06-11-2010, 09:01 AM
 
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Part 1

As blood-bought believers in Jesus Christ, we have power over the sin that once enslaved us. We are charged to no longer let sin reign in our mortal bodies. The following 2-part series by John Piper gives us a clear message on the reign of sin and the reign of God. There are many professed Christians who have no passion for the things of God. They care not about His character, eternity, nor pursue Him in holiness. They are more worried about the things of this world instead of setting their minds on heavenly things. They allow sin to reign in their mortal bodies.

Romans 6:11-14

11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
Piper delineates from this passage 8 participants:

  1. There is a kingly throne
  2. There is a challenge to the throne - sin
  3. There is a castle under attack - the body
  4. There are servants in the castle that may become captive - desires
  5. Incremental surrender is possible - obedience to desires leading to sin
  6. There are weapons that may be taken captive to be used for unrighteousness - eyes, ears, tongue, sexual organs, etc.
  7. There is a true King: God - sin does not like the reign of God on the throne
  8. There is a constitutional authority - grace, not the law
Piper goes on to summarize the above principles in 3 points:

  1. God is our King - the castle belongs to God; we must give our body to God
  2. Sin is a power - sin takes desires captive and turns them into seditious servants that bring the parts of the body under control as weapons of unrighteousness
  3. Desires of body are not sin, but may become sin - distorted and corrupted
As Piper explains, desires are God-given, but what was intended for good may be exploited for evil purposes. Take food for example - the desire for food is good, but when we give this desire over to sin, we get gluttony, bulimia, anorexia, and death. Likewise, desire for sex is good, but giving the desire over to sin leads to lust for pornography, masturbation, fornication, adultery, and homosexual activity. The good servant becomes the turncoat. Even the pleasant desire for rest can turn into slothfulness and laziness.

The question everyone should ask themselves is - who is your king? Who will reign in your body? Christ? Or sin?

Please click on the link for 3 listening options (streaming, download, podcast): Do Not Let Sin Reign in Your Mortal Body - Part 1
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Old 06-11-2010, 09:02 AM
 
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Part 2

In Part 1 of his series on Romans 6:11-14, John Piper explained the seditious power of sin able to take our God-given desires captive and turns our bodies into instruments of unrighteousness. Sin succeeds by corrupting our desires and deceitfully makes them appear compelling and rewarding. These desires then lie to us with half truths that it "will feel good," but ultimately these fleeting pleasures of sin soon become remorse, misery, loss, and destruction.

But as new creations, we see that the old man was held captive by these deceitful lust. Ephesians 4,
20 But you have not so learned Christ, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.
Then in 1 Peter 1 we are charged to "gird up our loins" and no longer be conformed to the lusts we were trapped in that were the result of being ignorant of the grace of God through the Lord Jesus Christ.
13 Therefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and rest your hope fully upon the grace that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 14 as obedient children, not conforming yourselves to the former lusts, as in your ignorance; 15 but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, 16 because it is written, ďBe holy, for I am holy.Ē
As sin has made war against our very soul (1 Peter 2:11), we must know the strategy to defeat it. The first thing we must understand is that we cannot fight sin sucessfully unless our sins are forgiven. In other words, being justified by faith is foundational to sanctification; we don't get holy to get justified, we get justified to get holy. Piper outlines 6 strategies for us to engage in in order to successfully wage war against the power of sin:

  • Strategy #1 - Christ died for your sin
  • Strategy #2 - You died and rose with Christ
  • Strategy #3 - We have become united with Christ
  • Strategy #4 - God justifies us
  • Strategy #5 - Consider yourselves dead to sin
  • Strategy #6 - Say no - and choose God!
Piper goes into great detail about each of these strategies, so please take the time to listen to the message. It is important to note that strategy #5 is a mental and volitional act preceding direct engagement with temptation. It's something we do with reason and will. We have to have our minds made up before the temptation comes. It's the battle before the battle. This is done in Christ Jesus and we must rest on His finished work and the grace we now find ourselves in. Piper explains,
Notice that this deadness to sin and life to God is "in Christ." Paul is still, amazingly, at the objective level of what is true outside of yourself. He is pointing you still to a reality about you that is objective and external to yourself. In the strategy of verse 11, your death to sin and life to God is not yet something in experience. Paul is saying: first bring your mind and heart into alignment with all that objective reality in the first four steps: Christ died for you, you died in him, you were united with him by God's doing through faith, you were justified. Now think this way. Know yourself this way. Seize this reality as who you truly are. Welcome and embrace this work of God and all it means for you as your treasure in life. (This is why I said that this strategy is an extension of the faith of Strategy #4. Reckoning ourselves to have died and risen with Christ is believing it and embracing it with all its promises as precious beyond all earthly things.)
We must then directly engage the sin when temptation comes upon us. The essence of Strategy #6 is not just saying no to the temptation, but saying YES to God. When sin sends these hijacked desires to tempt us, we must prefer another ruler, God. We must prefer God over sin. We must treasure Jesus Christ and prefer Him over the fleeting pleasures of sin. We are dead to sin and its desires, therefore when we meet sin we must look at God as a treasure and He becomes preferable. So much the more we must prepare ourselves before we are even confronted with sin. When we immerse ourselves in prayer and study of God's Word, we are conformed to the likeness of Christ, and our minds are renewed unto His good, pleasing, and perfect will. Then when faced with temptation and the power of sin behind it, we can confidently employ the final strategy to say no because we prefer the desires of God over the desires of sin. Jesus becomes preferable to all other things.

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O labor to know what God has done for you in Christ. And look to him continually until you see him as preferable to all other things.
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Old 06-11-2010, 10:03 AM
 
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Strategy #5 is a major issue with believers. Paul illustrated that in the flesh dwelleth no good thing - it (the Adamic nature) is forever opposed to the life of Christ.

It cannot be rehabilitated, trained, dressed up, or hidden from sight. The only way to be free from the sin nature is to reckon it dead. "Let this mind be in you which was in Christ" begins Phil 2:5, but goes on to tell us what His mind was:

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But made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
The crucifixion was a pattern for us, for nothing can be quickened without first being put to death (1 Cor 15:36). We are not greater than our Master - we must take up our cross in order to follow Him.

Now - the life that He gives as we are emptied of ourselves is what is True, Faithful, Righteous - it's His life. We will never be so in ourselves, it's Christ in you that is the hope of glory.
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Old 06-11-2010, 04:56 PM
 
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Part 1

As blood-bought believers in Jesus Christ, we have power over the sin that once enslaved us. ...
Incorrect and false and that contradicts the bible!!! And you are teaching people to rely on legalism and not completely on Jesus.

Firstly, are you now sinless? Yes or No?

Matthew 5:37 Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one


Secondly, Paul taught us that he was sinning terribly, and he taught that it's the SIN IN HIM causing him to sin...and he was doing what he hated and what he wanted to do, that he was not and could not do, Romans 7:15.

Romans 7:14-8:1
14 The law is good, then. The trouble is not with the law but with me, because I am sold into slavery, with sin as my master. 15 I donít understand myself at all, for I really want to do what is right, but I donít do it. Instead, I do the very thing I hate. 16 I know perfectly well that what I am doing is wrong, and my bad conscience shows that I agree that the law is good. 17 But I canít help myself, because it is the sin inside me [THE SINFUL NATURE] that makes me do these evil things.
18 I know I am rotten through and through so far as my old sinful nature is concerned. No matter which way I turn, I canít [I CAN'T DO IT!! HE IS NOT SAYING HE IS REFUSING HE IS SAYING HE CANT - THIS IS THE WAY WE ARE AS SINNERS] make myself do right. I want to, but I canít. 19 When I want to do good, I donít. And when I try not to do wrong, I do it anyway. [HE IS SAYING THAT EVEN WHEN HE TRIES TO DO THE RIGHT IN HIM THAT THE SINFUL NATURE MAKES HIM DO THE WRONG] 20 But if I am doing what I donít want to do, I am not really the one doing it [ITS THAT SINFUL NATURE DOING IT SO I AM NOT GOING TO BLAME MYSELF ANYMORE - BLAME THE FALLEN SINFUL NATURE] ; the sin within me is doing it.
21 It seems to be a fact of life that when I want to do what is right, I inevitably do what is wrong. 22 I love Godís law with all my heart. 23 But there is another law at work within me that is at war with my mind. This law wins the fight and makes me a slave to the sin that is still within me. 24 Oh, what a miserable person I am! Who will free me from this life that is dominated by sin?



BUT HERE COMES THE GOOD NEWS AND THE SOLUTION:



25 Thank God! The answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord. So you see how it is: In my mind I really want to obey Godís law, but because of my sinful nature I am a slave to sin. 8:1 So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus.
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Old 06-11-2010, 06:43 PM
 
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BUT HERE COMES THE GOOD NEWS AND THE SOLUTION:

25 Thank God! The answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord. So you see how it is: In my mind I really want to obey Godís law, but because of my sinful nature I am a slave to sin. 8:1 So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus.
Yes PH, that is 'GOOD NEWS' as long as we don't fall away but continue to belong to Christ Jesus. In the garden of Gethsemane Jesus told the disciples 'the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak'. Peter promised to go to 'prison and death' with our Lord but he soon found out his promises were weak as water!

The SOLUTION for sin comes to me in the story of Jesus, when a father presented his demon possessed son for healing in Mark 9:17-27. Presently, Jesus said to the father if you can 'believe', all things are possible to him who believes. Followed with...
Mark 9:24 And straightway the father of the child cried out,
and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief. KJV
Anxiety, anger, impatience, lusting after many things, etc., all give evidence of unbelief. When we feel these emotions come across our path either they will control us or we must cry out to Jesus Christ for help...

Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief....Rkin
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Old 06-11-2010, 08:48 PM
 
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Incorrect and false and that contradicts the bible!!! And you are teaching people to rely on legalism and not completely on Jesus.
You obviously didn't read the text or listen to the messages.
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Old 06-12-2010, 07:12 AM
 
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Incorrect and false and that contradicts the bible!!! And you are teaching people to rely on legalism and not completely on Jesus.
Living free from sin is exactly what the Bible teaches. Many Christians, who apparently still commit sin, seem to always evoke the charge of legalism when holiness is preached. However, God said without holiness no man shall see the Lord, and committing sin is not holiness. Also, they tend to quote Romans 7 as their excuse; however, Romans 7 is dealing with Paul's condition when he lived under the law. Paul had victory over sin when he lived under Jesus' grace.

Romans 6
[14] For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
[15] What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
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Old 06-12-2010, 07:18 AM
 
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We tend to look at actions (the outward manifestations) and judge - but even if a person walks a perfect line, God looks on the heart. This is especially true with Christians who claim to be sinless - the seed (nature) of Adam must be denied.
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Old 06-12-2010, 07:48 AM
 
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We tend to look at actions (the outward manifestations) and judge - but even if a person walks a perfect line, God looks on the heart. This is especially true with Christians who claim to be sinless - the seed (nature) of Adam must be denied.
As long as we live on this earth, we will have bodies of clay. The flesh will always be exposed to temptations, either from our own lusts and/or from the devil. However, God gives His children power over sin so that we don't have to give into it. There's a difference between temptation and sin. By blurring this line, so called preachers teach that no one can live free from sin; it's an opening to continue to sin. How convenient for them. Sadly, it's brought confusion to the church and many people have gone to, and are marching toward, hell because they did not yield themselves to God so that sin would not reign in their mortal bodies.

Satan can bring tempting thoughts to our minds, but we can cast those imaginations down and submit ourselves to God. Satan can also bring intense battles of the mind, because he is doing everything he can to destroy God's children. But we must use the blood of the Lamb and the Word of God against him.
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Old 06-12-2010, 08:02 AM
 
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However, God gives His children power over sin so that we don't have to give into it. There's a difference between temptation and sin. By blurring this line, so called preachers teach that no one can live free from sin; it's an opening to continue to sin. How convenient for them. Sadly, it's brought confusion to the church and many people have gone to, and are marching toward, hell because they did not yield themselves to God so that sin would not reign in their mortal bodies.
Let me complete my thought so that we might understand each other.

"God gives His children power" is what we say; what God has done is replace a part of our nature with His - He alone is holy, and His life alone is pure. This is critically important that we understand - His nature and our nature are diametrically opposed.

There is and never will be righteousness in the carnal nature, and by nature I mean all the way down to and including the root - all must die.

We can exercise restraint and guard our tongue, but we must realize that is "carrying our cross" - the death of the nature is the true release. (I Cor 15:36)
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